From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Thomas Petazzoni Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:57:05 +0200 Subject: [Buildroot] [PATCH] core/sdk: generate the SDK tarball ourselves In-Reply-To: References: <20180609210607.13259-1-yann.morin.1998@free.fr> <1528737656.28705.131.camel@impinj.com> <9ca7c9e9-061c-1dfb-f348-b92407b2f7e0@mind.be> <1528825657.28705.168.camel@impinj.com> <20180612210124.18e1f168@windsurf> Message-ID: <20180613115705.43c5b5b3@windsurf> List-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: buildroot@busybox.net Arnout, On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:47:02 +0200, Arnout Vandecappelle wrote: > >> I didn't want to write anything to this thread at first, but then I > >> saw that what Trent wrote matches 100% what I was thinking when > >> looking at the change. > >> > >> I'm very disappointed with the attitude displayed by the buildroot > >> developers in this thread. > > > > I believe you are also very abrupt with this statement. For example, I > > myself asked as a reply to Yann's proposal if there wasn't a backward > > compatibility issue. > > Thomas, you can't deny that, whatever your (and my) intention was in this > thread, it clearly has the effect on (some) people that they think "the > buildroot developers" are not paying attention to their needs. > > I don't know why that is or what we can do about it (without investing still > more time in composing our mails), but the least we can do is acknowledge this > situation. I will have to read this specific thread again to see what could communicate this feeling. However, generally speaking, I do agree that we tend to push back on people proposing to add more complexity to Buildroot, for the reasons I've highlighted before. And I definitely understand that such regular push back, or sometimes slowness to take a decision on specific topics can be frustrating. I do completely acknowledge that. However, this push back and/or slowness on topics that suggest changing some core aspect of Buildroot or its complexity level is actually more a feature than a bug. It is what allows to preserve Buildroot core principles on the long run. The contributors pushing for a little bit more complexity here only see a little bit more complexity in one specific place. People who have been around for a much longer period of time (I'm "celebrating" this year my 10th year contributing to Buildroot, and Peter has been contributing for longer than that, etc.) have a different perspective, as they see the overall complexity increase, not just the specific complexity increase caused by one patch. But, yes I acknowledge that we are reluctant to change, and sometimes need a lot of convincing arguments to change our minds. Best regards, Thomas -- Thomas Petazzoni, CTO, Bootlin (formerly Free Electrons) Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering https://bootlin.com