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From: Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/1] package/avahi: allow disabling default services
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 21:47:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210415194721.GG359705@scaer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <64232bf4-4811-35ef-f9fa-d44f662a003a@mind.be>

Arnout, All,

On 2021-04-15 21:02 +0200, Arnout Vandecappelle spake thusly:
> On 15/04/2021 11:34, Michael Nosthoff via buildroot wrote:
> > On Friday, December 04, 2020 18:45 CET, Florian Larysch <fl@n621.de> wrote: 
> >> By default, Avahi installs service definitions for SSH and SFTP, but
> >> those might not be present on all systems. Add an option for disabling
> >> them.
[--SNIP--]
> >> +config BR2_PACKAGE_AVAHI_DEFAULT_SERVICES
> >> +	bool "install default service definitions"
> >> +	depends on BR2_PACKAGE_AVAHI_DAEMON
> >> +	default y
> > If kept as an Option: default this to n?
> 
>  To make it easy to upgrade Buildroot, we want as much as possible to make sure
> that existing configurations still work. If you have an existing configuration
> that actually relies on these services to be installed, then it would be very
> annoying if they just disappear under your feet... So in general, we want the
> default to reflect the old situation. That means that adding an option that
> removes something will generally have to default y.

An option that defaults to 'y' will have to do so forever and ever...

>  This policy is far from ideal, because it means people will often have to
> explicitly unset this option. In many cases, even for existing configs,
> unsetting it is in fact the right thing to do.

And for new, from-scratch configurations, this is not nice either,
because most options default to 'n', while only a bunch default to 'y',
and this is not very consistent...

>  So maybe we should consider changing this policy.

I would very well be in favour of dropping the policy to be
backward-compatible in such a situation.

>  I think we should only do that if we also add a prominent file in the root,

Did you mean: s/root/top-directory of the Buildroot tree/ ?

> e.g. UPGRADING, that makes explicit note of such changes. Some time ago, I tried
> to keep something like that going by editing CHANGES, but it didn't amount to
> much, and that file is so full that it's hard to find the relevant bits.

This is going to bit-rot eventually... :-/

>  I've added a bunch of random people in Cc whom I think might have a relevant
> opinion about this. I hope nobody will feel offended because I didn't include
> them :-)
> 
>  If this idea gains traction, I volunteer to write a skeleton UPGRADING file,
> and refer to it from the manual. I've been thinking for a long time already that
> I really should add a section to the manual about what to do when you upgrade
> Buildroot, and this would be the ideal push for me.

What about the existing section, then:
    https://buildroot.org/downloads/manual/manual.html#migrating-from-ol-versions

(notice the typo in the anchor, giving away who wrote it ;-] And even
then, that typo is still fitting my ol' little me... ;-] )

Regards,
Yann E. MORIN.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-15 19:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-04 17:45 [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/1] package/avahi: allow disabling default services Florian Larysch
2021-04-15  9:34 ` Michael Nosthoff
2021-04-15 19:02   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2021-04-15 19:47     ` Yann E. MORIN [this message]
2021-04-15 20:41       ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2022-01-07 21:07 ` Thomas Petazzoni

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