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From: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] [PATCH v2] barebox: fix license information
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:02:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <503FD4E4.2000405@lucaceresoli.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <503D5205.30306@mind.be>

Arnout Vandecappelle wrote:
> On 08/28/12 22:54, Thomas Petazzoni wrote:
>> Le Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:48:08 +0200,
>> Arnout Vandecappelle<arnout@mind.be>  a ?crit :
>>
>>>> Also, uboot.mk mentions that the license is GPLv2+, but the U-Boot
>>>> COPYING file says:
>>>>
>>>>     U-Boot is Free Software.  It is copyrighted by Wolfgang Denk and
>>>> many others who contributed code (see the actual source code for
>>>> details).  You can redistribute U-Boot and/or modify it under the
>>>> terms of version 2 of the GNU General Public License as published by
>>>> the Free Software Foundation.  Most of it can also be distributed,
>>>> at your option, under any later version of the GNU General Public
>>>> License -- see individual files for exceptions.
>>>>
>>>> So I guess that formally speaking U-Boot is GPLv2 only, and not 
>>>> GPLv2+.
>>>
>>>    Given the large number of special cases we've encountered in the 
>>> licensing
>>> support, I propose that we require one or two Acks on all licensing 
>>> patches.
>>> And for new packages, the Acks should explicitly mention that it 
>>> Acks the
>>> license information.  Failing the Acks, it could still be committed 
>>> with
>>> a flag that it needs review, e.g. "GPLv2+ (needs review)".
>>>
>>>    I think for the legal-info, we should really be conservative. Now 
>>> that it
>>> exists, people will rely on it.  And if they rely on the wrong 
>>> information,
>>> they could be in trouble.
>>
>> Well, this means having to wait even more before being able to commit a
>> new package, I'm not sure I like to see more "bureaucracy" when it
>> comes to getting patches applied. Instead, getting things in movement
>> usually encourages people to react when something looks wrong. I.e, if
>> I had left out the barebox and u-boot patches from Simon, maybe nobody
>> would have commented on them... The fact that I took action by
>> committing them got the discussion started, we fixed the problems, and
>> we're good.
>
>  That's why I say: commit it with (needs review).  That will attract more
> reviews than having it either without legal-info, or with the wrong
> legal-info.
>
>
>>>    OTOH, the trouble would probably just be from your own legal 
>>> department...
>>> Copyright holders who create complex, inconsistent licenses are very
>>> unlikely to try to enforce them.  And also the FSFE and similar 
>>> organisations
>>> will just go for the obvious GPL violations.  So maybe I'm just being
>>> unnecessarily paranoid here...
>>
>> Just like we don't provide any guarantees of the proper functioning of
>> Buildroot, we don't provide any guarantees of the correctness of the
>> license information. Now, of course, it's up to us as a community to
>> ensure that Buildroot works fine (it builds what you need) and has the
>> most correct licensing information as possible, but we're not trying to
>> provide 100% guarantees here.
>
>  The difference is that buildroot users are likely to test the resulting
> rootfs, but are very unlikely to look a second time at the output of
> legal-info.  It's very difficult to "test" the legal-info - all you have
> is "code review". For me, the wrong information in legal-info is an order
> of magnitude worse than no legal-info at all.

I agree with Arnout here. If a feature is buggy, a user wanting to use it
will probably be bitten by the bug and report it.

If a license is buggy, or even worse, if a user knows license definitions
are not trustworthy, he will have to check them one by one, just as if they
were not defined at all in BR. The whole legal-info would thus loose most of
its usefulness.

These weeks my spare time is close to zero, but I do review license info
patches as soon as I can. It takes 2 minutes in simple cases, 15 when
things are complex, so it is definitely a little effort.

Luca

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-30 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-28  7:19 [Buildroot] [PATCH v2] barebox: fix license information spdawson at gmail.com
2012-08-28  8:30 ` Luca Ceresoli
2012-08-28 12:44 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2012-08-28 17:48   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2012-08-28 20:54     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2012-08-28 23:19       ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2012-08-30 21:02         ` Luca Ceresoli [this message]
2012-10-09  9:43 ` Peter Korsgaard

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