From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Peter Korsgaard Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:47:26 +0100 Subject: [Buildroot] Buildroot 2009.02 released In-Reply-To: <1235208541.24843.26.camel@elrond.atmel.com> (Ulf Samuelsson's message of "Sat\, 21 Feb 2009 10\:29\:01 +0100") References: <87skmkf1s0.fsf@macbook.be.48ers.dk> <49941678.4040902@cetrtapot.si> <87ocx7g731.fsf@macbook.be.48ers.dk> <60A797DC812E4639BC2F3208D69F6547@aeglos> <87ljs28chc.fsf@macbook.be.48ers.dk> <02578E7FA1EB4C8380989D73D0C6C40C@aeglos> <87bpsx8qk1.fsf@macbook.be.48ers.dk> <1235208541.24843.26.camel@elrond.atmel.com> Message-ID: <877i3i7qhd.fsf@macbook.be.48ers.dk> List-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: buildroot@busybox.net >>>>> "Ulf" == Ulf Samuelsson writes: Hi, >> Sure, like with all other issues - Add an issue to the tracker or >> mail the list, both preferably with a patch. Ulf> You REALLY dont get it , do you? No, I think it's pretty obvious that I don't follow you. Ulf> If you for once stopped seeing Buildroot as a hobby Ulf> and take the view of someone wanting to build Ulf> a root file system without digging deep into Ulf> the internals of Buildroot, then you would realize Ulf> that Bugzilla is NOT the way this shoudl be communicated. You seem to be mixing up developer/contributor communication such as mailing list/bugzilla and some kind of known issues list for a release (E.G. stuff that belongs in the release notes). Issues needs to be reported / patches sent to the developers if you want to get them solved - E.G. this is absolutely critical to improve BR quality. And sure, it could be that we decide to ship with known issues and those should get mentioned in the release notes, but most of all we try to fix all bugs we KNOW ABOUT. Ulf> Once it is discovered that there is a problem, there is no clean Ulf> way to inform the user that there is a problem with a certain Ulf> package so each new user will waste a lot of time trying Ulf> to build what is known to be broken. That's what releases are for - With a 3 month release cycle I don't see any real reason for casual / first time users to go to svn. >> Well, if you mail the list or add an issue, there is. Ulf> Not in a usable format. For the developers it is. Ulf> There are dependencies on the host distribution. Ulf> I have seen that some packages sometimes use the host includes. Ulf> If the host includes do things in the same way as the buildroot Ulf> includes that should have been used, then the build can Ulf> complete, even though the package is inherently BROKEN. Ulf> If they are different, then the build breaks. Yes, bug reports and patches are welcome. >> >> Sure, but please be a bit more specific. Ulf> I think we should create a range of rootfs definitions Ulf> with reasonable combinations for testing purposes. Ulf> * Busybox only. Ulf> * A communications oriented (no graphics) Ulf> Maybe an Internet Radio /Audio player Ulf> * DirectFB with a simple touch interface Ulf> * X-Windows Ulf> This should be tested on multiple distributions Ulf> (Ubuntu/Fedora/OpenSuSE etc.). Are you offering to do this? As always, talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. >> Heh, I would certainly prefer to spend our energy on actually >> fixing stuff than arguing about how to show what's >> broken. Everything broken is a bug, and bugs should get fixed. Ulf> That is because either you do not care about others Ulf> or you do not grip the situation. I don't see you helping people on the mailing list or fixing issues in the bugtracker, so don't give me that 'you don't care about others'. Ulf> Do you think that if buildroot was a commercial tool Ulf> that people would accept your opinion, or would they Ulf> go to someone more interested in their problems? People are free to go elsewhere (so are you), that's the basic concept of open source. Ulf> I want to spend my energy on making it easier for people Ulf> without too much knowledge to get an embedded linux system Ulf> running and telling people up front what works and does not work Ulf> is key to get acceptance. Ulf> Bugs needs to be fixed, as time permits, Ulf> but if that is the only support provided, then this Ulf> is no tool for anything but hobbyists like yourself. Hobbyist == care about quality? Yes, then I'm definately a hobbyist. >> Again, please use the bug tracker. >> >> I'm not against doing more structured build tests, and will look into >> getting buildbot running again with some sensible defconfigs soonish, >> but that shouldn't stop you or anyone else from reporting (and fixing) >> bugs. Ulf> It is not enough to report and fix bugs. No, that's why I'm doing releases - Nevertheless, fixing bugs is absolutely critical. Are you going to contribute or just continue to make noise on the list? -- Bye, Peter Korsgaard