From: Peter Korsgaard <peter@korsgaard.com>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/4] fs/common.mk: support lz4 compression
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:45:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87shekw368.fsf@dell.be.48ers.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171015130545.GB2918@scaer> (Yann E. MORIN's message of "Sun, 15 Oct 2017 15:05:45 +0200")
>>>>> "Yann" == Yann E MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr> writes:
Hi,
>> > Indeed. It does not make sense to get a compressedd ext2/3/4 (or
>> > whatever other uncompressed filesystem). That is semantically useless.
>>
>> I agree that we would most likely not introduce such options today, but
>> they have been supported for a very long time. I have personally used
>> the .gz option to save archival disk space for buildbot, so they are not
>> completely useless ;)
> But since the filesystem infra does not get rid of the uncompresed
> image, surely you have a post-image (or post-buildroot) script that gets
> rid of the uncompressed stuff, don't you? In which case that archival
> script could very well be the one doing the compresion...
Correct. This was just a (poor) example where I personally have used the
option.
> And Buildroot should not be concerned about the archiving requirements
> of the users: there will be almost as many such archiving requirements
> as there are users.
>> It is not completely semantically useless as it can be used for
>> old-style initrds (but yeah, using an initramfs makes more sense).
> The external initrd is what I was talking about below, yes.
Ok. Keep in mind that there's 3 variants:
- Initramfs built into the kernel
- External initramfs (separate cpio archive)
- External initrd (filesystem image, E.G. extN)
>> You are missing the external initramfs usecase (E.G. not built into the
>> kernel) - How just about all PC distributions boot. This usecase
>> probably doesn't make much sense for Buildroot, but such a setup does
>> make sense when you use a dm-verity / dm-crypt rootfs and need to mount
>> it in the initramfs.
>>
>> For thes use cases, the compression options IMHO makes sense.
> Well, the compression is indeed only valid when using an initrd (cpio,
> ext, whatev') or an external initramfs.
> But again, I still think that it's better to offload that to an external
> script.
Tradeoffs, a script is more flexible, but an option is more user friendly.
>> In concept I agree, but you could use that logic on a lot of the things
>> Buildroot does. We have supported these options for a very long time,
>> and they imho add very little complexity, so I suggest we keep them for
>> compatibility reasons.
> Well, we historically had support for the toolchain on the target as
> well, but we did eventually get rid of it! ;-)
The reason why we got rid of it was that it was hard to test, nontrivial
to maintain and against the philosophy of Buildroot (cross compilation).
I don't think those things really applies here. Sure, it could be done
by a script, but so could E.G. the root password option, remount rw,
purge locales, ..
>> Regarding the question of if we should add lz4 as well. I'm fairly
>> pragmatic about it. Most likely other people may also want it, so either
>> we add it or create a visible (Config.in.host) host package so it can be
>> used from post-image scripts.
>>
>> For consistency I would prefer to add it to the compression options.
> Note: I am not arguing against adding lz4. I'm arguing against keeping
> the compresion options altogether. Slight difference.
I understand that.
> What I find cumbersome to maintain is the duplication of compression
> lists in each filesystem types.
I agree that it isn't very nice, but we only rarely add new filesystem
types or compression algorithms (and if we do, the patches are trivial
as this lz4 series).
> Maybe a middle ground would be to remove all the compression options,
> and move them to the top-level filesystem menu, something like:
> Image compression:
> (X) none
> ( ) gzip
> ( ) bzip2
> ( ) xz
> ( ) lzo
> ( ) lz4
> ( ) lzp
> With this help text:
> For filesystems that inherently do not support compression
> (e.g. ext2, cpio, tarball...), compress them with this
> compresion algorithm (using the default compression level)
> Filesystem that already support internal compression (e.g.
> squashfs, cramfs...) are not impacted by this option.
Hmm, I don't really like this. It still breaks the build for existing
users, and it doesn't really simplify anything in our infrastructure
(except for a few Config.in entries).
--
Bye, Peter Korsgaard
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-10-15 20:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-10-13 19:16 [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/4] fs/common.mk: support lz4 compression Peter Korsgaard
2017-10-13 19:16 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 2/4] fs/cpio: add option for " Peter Korsgaard
2017-10-13 19:16 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 3/4] fs/ext2: " Peter Korsgaard
2017-10-13 19:16 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 4/4] fs/tar: " Peter Korsgaard
2017-10-13 22:05 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/4] fs/common.mk: support " Thomas Petazzoni
2017-10-14 7:32 ` Yann E. MORIN
2017-10-15 9:03 ` Peter Korsgaard
2017-10-15 13:05 ` Yann E. MORIN
2017-10-15 20:45 ` Peter Korsgaard [this message]
2018-01-08 22:46 ` Thomas Petazzoni
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