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From: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	"Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Cc: Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>, Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	Marco Elver <elver@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/12] mm/slab, alloc_tag: reduce obj_ext memory waste
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2026 12:28:50 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0d191478-43fb-4286-a2e6-3e7f3047b42a@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpEVQU6s58s9XWCVDUXzr=7bbatmCi35vxnSiyA1pe1P6g@mail.gmail.com>


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On 7/16/26 12:32 AM, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 3:10 AM Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
> <vbabka@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> The recent fixes for objext array handling inspired me to look into this
>> finally. It's been bothering me that the memory usage of struct
>> slabobj_ext depend only on config options and not whether the fields are
>> actually used.

+1 one more person bothered by this...

>> So with both CONFIG_MEMCG=y and
>> CONFIG_MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING=y there is always objcg field and codetag_ref
>> field. And thus:
>>
>> 1) Having memory allocation profiling config-enabled but not
>>    boot-enabled means wasted memory on unused codetag_refs. This makes
>>    it less suitable for a general distro config and the page allocator
>>    side doesn't suffer from this, only slab and percpu.
>>
>> 2) Complementary, with memory allocation profiling enabled, there are
>>    caches/slabs that don't need the objcg field, so memory is wasted on
>>    those.
> 
> It's funny because yesterday I started working on a prototype for the
> same optimization. But your patchset is much more mature, so I'll
> focus instead on reviewing it.

Ouch, a race condition!

>> This series should solve the point 1) fully for slab, pcpuobj_ext
>> handling can be perhaps improved similarly, haven't looked into that.
>>
>> For 2) it avoids allocating objcg fields for KMALLOC_NORMAL caches where
>> we know they are not necessary because kmalloc() with __GFP_ACCOUNT will
>> pick a KMALLOC_CGROUP type.

Unless KMALLOC_RECLAIM != KMALLOC_NORMAL! (yes, SLUB_TINY)

>> The named kmem_caches are tricky. They can be created with SLAB_ACCOUNT
>> and then we know objcg fields are always needed. But also they can be
>> created without SLAB_ACCOUNT and then some allocations have
>> __GFP_ACCOUNT and some not and we don't know that in advance.
> 
> Do you know how often this happens that a named cache with no
> SLAB_ACCOUNT is used for __GFP_ACCOUNT allocation?

Not sure about how often, but one thing I recall is xarray
(radix_tree_node cache), which decides to account the objects based on
xarray flags.

>> A possible future solution is to introduce e.g. SLAB_MAYBE_ACCOUNT, add
>> it to caches where we know __GFP_ACCOUNT is used, and only honour
>> __GFP_ACCOUNT for those, while warning for an unexpected usage
>> elsewhere.
>
> I wonder if for such caches we could create two separate caches, one
> serving __GFP_ACCOUNT and using extentions containing objcg and
> another one for non-__GFP_ACCOUNT with optimized extentions?

You mean transparently to users? (e.g., user thinks it has created
a single kmem_cache but actually there are two of them, multiplexed by
__GFP_ACCOUNT bit)

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-16  3:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-15 10:10 [PATCH RFC 00/12] mm/slab, alloc_tag: reduce obj_ext memory waste Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 01/12] mm/slab: skip kfence objects in allocation profiling Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-15 16:02   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-16  9:11     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16 15:24       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 02/12] mm/slab: remove objs_per_slab() Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-15 16:13   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 03/12] mm: move struct slabobj_ext to mm/slab.h Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  0:56   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 04/12] mm/slab: make slab_obj_ext() determine object index Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  1:02   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 05/12] mm/slab: abstract slabobj_ext.objcg access Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  1:27   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-16 13:58     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16 15:27       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 06/12] mm/slab: abstract slabobj_ext.ref access Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  1:28   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 07/12] mm/slab: replace slab.stride with obj_exts_in_object Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  1:44   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 08/12] mm/slab: change struct slabobj_ext to a union Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  4:11   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-16 14:43     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16 15:28       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 09/12] mm/slab: introduce slab_obj_ext_has_codetag() Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  4:25   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-16 14:47     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 10/12] mm/slab: reduce slabobj_ext memory with allocation profiling disabled Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  4:30   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 11/12] mm/slab: add slab_needs_objcg() helper Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  4:36   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC 12/12] mm/slab: stop allocating objcg pointers when unnecessary Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16  4:46   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-16 15:08     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-16 15:32       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-15 15:32 ` [PATCH RFC 00/12] mm/slab, alloc_tag: reduce obj_ext memory waste Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-07-16  3:28   ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2026-07-16  4:55     ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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