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From: Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] cgroups: Task counter subsystem v8
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 11:51:07 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120201115107.93e11471.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120201184959.GH6731-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 19:50:01 +0100
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 08:31:26AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 04:37:40AM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > > Changes In this version:
> > > 
> > > - Split 32/64 bits version of res_counter_write_u64() [1/10]
> > >   Courtesy of Kirill A. Shutemov
> > > 
> > > - Added Kirill's ack [8/10]
> > > 
> > > - Added selftests [9/10], [10/10]
> > > 
> > > Please consider for merging. At least two users want this feature:
> > 
> > Has there been further discussion about this approach?  IIRC, we
> > weren't sure whether this should be merged.
> 
> The doubts I have noticed were:
> 
> Q: Can't we rather focus on a global solution to fight forkbombs?
> 
> If we can find a reliable solution that works in any case and that
> prevent from any forkbomb to impact the rest of the system then it
> may be an acceptable solution. But I'm not aware of such feature.
> 
> Besides, another point in having this task counter is that we
> have a per container limit. Assuming all containers are running under
> the same user, we can protect against a container starving all others
> with a massive amount of processes close to the NR_PROC rlimit.
> 
> Q: Can/should we implement a limitation on the number of "fork" as well?
>    (as in https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/3/233 )
> 
> I'm still not sure about why such a thing is needed. Is it really something we
> want? Why can't the task counter be used instead?
> 
> I need more details from the author of this patch. But I doubt we can merge
> both subsystems, they have pretty different semantics.

What I struggle with is "is this feature useful enough to warrant
merging it"?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-01 19:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-01  3:37 [PATCH 00/10] cgroups: Task counter subsystem v8 Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found] ` <1328067470-5980-1-git-send-email-fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 01/10] cgroups: add res_counter_write_u64() API Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]     ` <1328067470-5980-2-git-send-email-fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-02 12:33       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
     [not found]         ` <20120202123322.GA12748-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-02 13:56           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 02/10] cgroups: new resource counter inheritance API Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 03/10] cgroups: ability to stop res charge propagation on bounded ancestor Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 04/10] cgroups: add res counter common ancestor searching Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 05/10] res_counter: allow charge failure pointer to be null Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 06/10] cgroups: pull up res counter charge failure interpretation to caller Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 07/10] cgroups: allow subsystems to cancel a fork Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 08/10] cgroups: Add a task counter subsystem Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 09/10] selftests: Enter each directories before executing selftests Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01  3:37   ` [PATCH 10/10] selftests: Add a new task counter selftest Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-01 16:31   ` [PATCH 00/10] cgroups: Task counter subsystem v8 Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120201163126.GA19837-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-01 18:50       ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]         ` <20120201184959.GH6731-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-01 19:51           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
     [not found]             ` <20120201115107.93e11471.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-02 14:50               ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]                 ` <20120202145000.GC9071-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-16 15:31                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-01 22:53                   ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]                     ` <4F4FFDE4.8050908-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05  3:21                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]                         ` <20120305032130.GD18143-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 16:26                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                             ` <20120305162652.GO22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 16:27                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20120305162739.GP22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 16:48                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-03-05 16:44               ` Rik van Riel
2013-04-01 18:43   ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]     ` <CAAAKZwv9=NFmt6xj1KF2va1i6=UCvka0YkmdOY9JNUMHDOWpGw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 18:46       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20130401184617.GB31435-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 20:09           ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]             ` <CAAAKZwvemKDLeuKr6wWMUSVczkRVDZKSzYrXXEMcZ8qvcFR0zQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 20:29               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20130401202943.GC31435-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 21:02                   ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                     ` <CAAAKZwuZwN68vtk1qO08GXB_OnQNVtqqp+v_NQfP27W0P_aWZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 22:03                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20130401220309.GA2487-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 22:20                           ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                             ` <CAAAKZwuev7Y58ZQNtG+XdFRt0=NedD7zbYTAZbJ95ahBKLVhKA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 22:35                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20130401223500.GB2487-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 22:57                                   ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                     ` <CAAAKZwvdMUAZ+N5d-cdCJbKUq=t9M6BbCxzOTWnVQQBrg55vhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-01 23:18                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20130401231824.GC2487-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-02  0:07                                           ` Tim Hockin

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