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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Neil Horman <nhorman-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Serge Hallyn
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	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] cgroup TODOs
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 14:07:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120914180754.GF6221@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120913205827.GO7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 01:58:27PM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:

[..]
> 6. Multiple hierarchies
> 
>   Apart from the apparent wheeeeeeeeness of it (I think I talked about
>   that enough the last time[1]), there's a basic problem when more
>   than one controllers interact - it's impossible to define a resource
>   group when more than two controllers are involved because the
>   intersection of different controllers is only defined in terms of
>   tasks.
> 
>   IOW, if an entity X is of interest to two controllers, there's no
>   way to map X to the cgroups of the two controllers.  X may belong to
>   A and B when viewed by one task but A' and B when viewed by another.
>   This already is a head scratcher in writeback where blkcg and memcg
>   have to interact.
> 
>   While I am pushing for unified hierarchy, I think it's necessary to
>   have different levels of granularities depending on controllers
>   given that nesting involves significant overhead and noticeable
>   controller-dependent behavior changes.
> 
>   Solution:
> 
>   I think a unified hierarchy with the ability to ignore subtrees
>   depending on controllers should work.  For example, let's assume the
>   following hierarchy.
> 
>           R
> 	/   \
>        A     B
>       / \
>      AA AB
> 
>   All controllers are co-mounted.  There is per-cgroup knob which
>   controls which controllers nest beyond it.  If blkio doesn't want to
>   distinguish AA and AB, the user can specify that blkio doesn't nest
>   beyond A and blkio would see the tree as,
> 
>           R
> 	/   \
>        A     B
> 
>   While other controllers keep seeing the original tree.  The exact
>   form of interface, I don't know yet.  It could be a single file
>   which the user echoes [-]controller name into it or per-controller
>   boolean file.
> 
>   I think this level of flexibility should be enough for most use
>   cases.  If someone disagrees, please voice your objections now.

Hi Tejun,

I am curious that why are you planning to provide capability of controller
specific view of hierarchy. To me it sounds pretty close to having
separate hierarchies per controller. Just that it is a little more
restricted configuration. 

IOW, who is is the user of this functionality and who is asking for it.
Can we go all out where all controllers have only one hierarchy view.

Thanks
Vivek

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-09-14 18:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-13 20:58 [RFC] cgroup TODOs Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 11:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-14 12:54   ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]     ` <20120914125427.GW6819-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14  8:55       ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-14 17:53   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20120913205827.GO7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14  8:16   ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <5052E7DF.7040000-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14  9:12       ` Li Zefan
     [not found]         ` <5052F4FF.6070508-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 11:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-14 17:59           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20120914175944.GF17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 18:23               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-14 18:33                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 17:43       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120914174329.GD17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-17  8:50           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]             ` <5056E467.2090108-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-17 17:21               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20120917172123.GB18677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-18  8:16                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-14  9:04   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]     ` <1347613484.4340.132.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 17:17       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14  9:10   ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]     ` <20120914091032.GA6819-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14  9:08       ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-14 13:58       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20120914135830.GB6221-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 19:29           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20120914192935.GO17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 21:51               ` Kay Sievers
2012-09-14 14:25   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20120914142539.GC6221-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 14:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-09-14 15:14         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]           ` <20120914151447.GD6221-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 21:57             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20120914215701.GW17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-17 15:27                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-18 18:08                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-17  8:55             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-14 21:39       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120914213938.GV17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-17 15:05           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20120917150518.GB5094-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-17 16:40               ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-14 15:03   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <20120914150306.GQ28039-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-19 14:02       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <20120919140203.GA5398-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-19 14:03           ` [PATCH 2.6.32] memcg: warn on deeper hierarchies with use_hierarchy==0 Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <20120919140308.GB5398-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-19 19:38               ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1209191237020.749-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-20 13:24                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                     ` <20120920132400.GC23872-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-20 22:33                       ` David Rientjes
     [not found]                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1209201531250.17455-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-21  7:16                           ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-19 14:03           ` [PATCH 3.0] " Michal Hocko
2012-09-19 14:05           ` [PATCH 3.2+] " Michal Hocko
2012-09-14 18:07   ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
     [not found]     ` <20120914180754.GF6221-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 18:53       ` [RFC] cgroup TODOs Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120914185324.GI17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 19:28           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20120914192840.GG6221-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 19:44               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20120914194439.GP17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 19:49                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20120914194950.GQ17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 20:39                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20120914203925.GR17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-17  8:40                           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                             ` <5056E1FC.1090508-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-17 17:30                               ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-17 14:37                           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-14 18:36   ` Aristeu Rozanski
     [not found]     ` <20120914183641.GA2191-YqEmrenMroyQb786VAuzj9i2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 18:54       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-15  2:20       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20120915022037.GA6438-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-15  9:27           ` Controlling devices and device namespaces Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <87wqzv7i08.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-15 22:05               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20120915220520.GA11364-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16  0:24                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <87y5kazuez.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16  3:31                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-09-16 11:21                       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                         ` <20120916122112.3f16178d-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16 11:56                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                             ` <87sjaiuqp5.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16 12:17                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                 ` <87d31mupp3.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16 13:32                                   ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]                                     ` <5055D4D1.3070407-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16 14:23                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                         ` <87k3vuqc5l.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16 16:13                                           ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                             ` <20120916171316.517ad0fd-38n7/U1jhRXW96NNrWNlrekiAK3p4hvP@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16 17:49                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-16 16:15                                           ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]                                             ` <5055FB2A.1020103-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16 16:53                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-16  8:19       ` [RFC] cgroup TODOs James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <1347783557.2463.1.camel-sFMDBYUN5F8GjUHQrlYNx2Wm91YjaHnnhRte9Li2A+AAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-16 14:41           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-09-17 13:21           ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-09-14 22:03   ` Dhaval Giani
     [not found]     ` <CAPhKKr8wDLrcWHLTRq1M7gU_6CGNxzzF83zJo2WZ5vrY7h8Qyw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 22:06       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-20  1:33   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <505A725B.2080901-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-20 18:26       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120920182651.GH28934-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-20 18:39           ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-09-21 21:40   ` Tejun Heo

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