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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] memcg: split part of memcg creation to css_online
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:17:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121204081756.GA31319@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50BDAEC1.8040805-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>

On Tue 04-12-12 12:05:21, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On 12/03/2012 09:32 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Fri 30-11-12 17:31:25, Glauber Costa wrote:
> >> Although there is arguably some value in doing this per se, the main
> >> goal of this patch is to make room for the locking changes to come.
> >>
> >> With all the value assignment from parent happening in a context where
> >> our iterators can already be used, we can safely lock against value
> >> change in some key values like use_hierarchy, without resorting to the
> >> cgroup core at all.
> > 
> > I am sorry but I really do not get why online_css callback is more
> > appropriate. Quite contrary. With this change iterators can see a group
> > which is not fully initialized which calls for a problem (even though it
> > is not one yet).
> 
> But it should be extremely easy to protect against this. It is just a
> matter of not returning online css in the iterator: then we'll never see
> them until they are online. This also sounds a lot more correct than
> returning allocated css.

Yes but... Look at your other patch which relies on iterator when counting
children to find out if there is any available.
 
> > Could you be more specific why we cannot keep the initialization in
> > mem_cgroup_css_alloc? We can lock there as well, no?
> > 
> Because we need to parent value of things like use_hierarchy and
> oom_control not to change after it was copied to a child.
> 
> If we do it in css_alloc, the iterators won't be working yet - nor will
> cgrp->children list, for that matter - and we will risk a situation
> where another thread thinks no children exist, and flips use_hierarchy
> to 1 (or oom_control, etc), right after the children already got the
> value of 0.

You are right. I must have been blind yesterday evening.
 
> The two other ways to solve this problem that I see, are:
> 
> 1) lock in css_alloc and unlock in css_online, that tejun already ruled
> out as too damn ugly (and I can't possibly disagree)

yes, it is really ugly

> 2) have an alternate indication of emptiness that is working since
> css_alloc (like counting number of children).

I do not think it is worth the complication.

> Since I don't share your concerns about the iterator showing incomplete
> memcgs - trivial to fix, if not fixed already - I deemed my approach
> preferable here.

Agreed.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-12-04  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-30 13:31 [PATCH 0/4] replace cgroup_lock with local lock in memcg Glauber Costa
2012-11-30 13:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] cgroup: warn about broken hierarchies only after css_online Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1354282286-32278-2-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-30 15:11     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20121130151158.GB3873-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-30 15:13         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <50B8CD32.4080807-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-30 15:45             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20121130154504.GD3873-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-30 15:49                 ` Michal Hocko
2012-11-30 15:57                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-30 13:31 ` [PATCH 2/4] memcg: prevent changes to move_charge_at_immigrate during task attach Glauber Costa
2012-11-30 15:19   ` Tejun Heo
2012-11-30 15:29     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1354282286-32278-3-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  9:29     ` Michal Hocko
2012-11-30 13:31 ` [PATCH 3/4] memcg: split part of memcg creation to css_online Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1354282286-32278-4-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-03 17:32     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]       ` <20121203173205.GI17093-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  8:05         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <50BDAEC1.8040805-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  8:17             ` Michal Hocko [this message]
     [not found]               ` <20121204081756.GA31319-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  8:32                 ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                   ` <50BDB511.5070107-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  8:52                     ` Michal Hocko
2012-11-30 13:31 ` [PATCH 4/4] memcg: replace cgroup_lock with memcg specific memcg_lock Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <1354282286-32278-5-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-03 17:15     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]       ` <20121203171532.GG17093-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-03 17:30         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]           ` <20121203173002.GH17093-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  7:49             ` Glauber Costa
2012-12-04  7:58       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]         ` <50BDAD38.6030200-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  8:23           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <20121204082316.GB31319-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  8:31               ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                 ` <50BDB4E3.4040107-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04  8:45                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                     ` <20121204084544.GC31319-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04 14:52                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20121204145221.GA3885-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04 15:14                           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                             ` <20121204151420.GL31319-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-04 15:22                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20121204152225.GC3885-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-05 14:35                                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                     ` <20121205143537.GC9714-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-05 14:41                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <1354282286-32278-1-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-30 15:52   ` [PATCH 0/4] replace cgroup_lock with local lock in memcg Tejun Heo
2012-11-30 15:59     ` Glauber Costa

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