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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Zhao Shuai <zhaoshuai-h+KGxgPPiopAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org,
	ctalbott-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	rni-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: performance drop after using blkcg
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:47:18 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121211144718.GF7084@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121211144336.GB5580-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Hello,

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 09:43:36AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> I think if one sets slice_idle=0 and group_idle=0 in CFQ, for all practical
> purposes it should become and IOPS based group scheduling.

No, I don't think it is.  You can't achieve isolation without idling
between group switches.  We're measuring slices in terms of iops but
what cfq actually schedules are still time slices, not IOs.

> For group accounting then CFQ uses number of requests from each cgroup
> and uses that information to schedule groups.
> 
> I have not been able to figure out the practical benefits of that
> approach. At least not for the simple workloads I played with. This
> approach will not work for simple things like trying to improve dependent
> read latencies in presence of heavery writers. That's the single biggest
> use case CFQ solves, IMO.

As I wrote above, it's not about accounting.  It's about scheduling
unit.

> And that happens because we stop writes and don't let them go to device
> and device is primarily dealing with reads. If some process is doing
> dependent reads and we want to improve read latencies, then either
> we need to stop flow of writes or devices are good and they always
> prioritize READs over WRITEs. If devices are good then we probably
> don't even need blkcg.
> 
> So yes, iops based appraoch is fine just that number of cases where you
> will see any service differentiation should significantly less.

No, using iops to schedule time slices would lead to that.  We just
need to be allocating and scheduling iops, and I don't think we should
be doing that from cfq.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-12-11 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-10 12:28 performance drop after using blkcg Zhao Shuai
     [not found] ` <CAFVn34SxqAJe_4P-WT8MOiG-kmKKD7ge96zoHXQuGqHWPgAt+A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11  7:00   ` Zhao Shuai
2012-12-11 14:25   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20121211142518.GA5580-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 14:27       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20121211142742.GE7084-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 14:43           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20121211144336.GB5580-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 14:47               ` Tejun Heo [this message]
     [not found]                 ` <20121211144718.GF7084-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 15:02                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                     ` <20121211150234.GC5580-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 15:14                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20121211151412.GG7084-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 15:37                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                             ` <20121211153725.GD5580-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 16:01                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20121211160137.GJ7084-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 16:18                                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                     ` <20121211161820.GE5580-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-11 16:27                                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-12-12  7:29       ` Zhao Shuai
     [not found]         ` <CAFVn34TqCk71PDgdTAhBo9qTmhD3OwO9RxuyNRXwtkJoYqtOZg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-16  4:38           ` Zhu Yanhai

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