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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Balbir Singh
	<bsingharora-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
	<kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ying Han <yinghan-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Michel Lespinasse
	<walken-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: memcg: softlimit on internal nodes
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 08:57:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130422155744.GD12543@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130422155703.GC12543-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 08:57:03AM -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 05:19:08PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > We can try to be clever during the outside pressure and prefer
> > reclaiming over soft limit groups first. Which we used to do and will
> > do after rework as well. As a side effect of that a properly designed
> > hierachy with opt-in soft limited groups can actually accomplish some
> > isolation is a nice side effect but no _guarantee_.
> 
> Okay, so it *is* a soft limit.  Good.  If so, a subtree going over the
> limit of course forces reclaim on its children even though their
> individual configs aren't over limit.  It's exactly the same as
> hardlimit.  There doesn't need to be any difference and there's
> nothing questionable or interesting about it.
> 
> Also, then, a cgroup which has been configured explicitly shouldn't be
                                ^
				not

> disadvantaged compared to a cgroup with a limit configured.  ie. the
> current behavior of giving maximum to the knob on creation is the
> correct one.  The knob should create *extra* pressure.  It shouldn't
> lessen the pressure.  When populated weith other cgroups with limits
> configured, it would change the relative pressure felt by each but in
> general it's a limiting mechanism not an isolation one.  I think the
> bulk of confusion is coming from this, so please make that abundantly
> clear.
> 
> And, if people want a mechanism for isolation / lessening of pressure,
> which looks like a valid use case to me, add another knob for that
> which is prioritized under both hard and soft limits.  That is the
> only sensible way to do it.
> 
> Alright, no complaint anymore.  Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> tejun

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-22 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-20  0:26 memcg: softlimit on internal nodes Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20130420002620.GA17179-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-20  0:42   ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-20  3:35     ` Greg Thelen
2013-04-21  1:53       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-20  3:16   ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-21  2:23     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20130421022321.GE19097-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-21  8:55         ` Michel Lespinasse
     [not found]           ` <CANN689GuN_5QdgPBjr7h6paVmPeCvLHYfLWNLsJMWib9V9G_Fw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22  4:24             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20130422042445.GA25089-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22  7:14                 ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-04-22 14:48                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-22 15:37                 ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-22 15:46                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20130422154620.GB12543-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 15:54                       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                         ` <20130422155454.GH18286-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 16:01                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-23  9:58                         ` Michel Lespinasse
2013-04-23 10:17                           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                             ` <51765FB2.3070506-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23 11:40                               ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                 ` <20130423114020.GC8001-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23 11:54                                   ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-23 12:51                                   ` Michel Lespinasse
     [not found]                                     ` <CANN689FaGBi+LmdoSGBf3D9HmLD8Emma1_M3T1dARSD6=75B0w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23 13:06                                       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                         ` <20130423130627.GG8001-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23 13:13                                           ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-23 13:28                                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                           ` <CANN689Hz5A+iMM3T76-8RCh8YDnoGrYBvtjL_+cXaYRR0OkGRQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23 11:32                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                               ` <20130423113216.GB8001-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23 12:45                                 ` Michel Lespinasse
     [not found]                                   ` <CANN689G47EFiSpH-d=yQSiUxPcHXveBi_aCL=o3yoHSa8K7LbQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23 12:59                                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-23 12:51                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-21 12:46       ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-22  4:39         ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-22 15:19           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <20130422151908.GF18286-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 15:57               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20130422155703.GC12543-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 15:57                   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2013-04-22 16:20                 ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                   ` <20130422162012.GI18286-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 18:30                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20130422183020.GF12543-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23  9:29                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-23 17:09                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-26 11:51                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                               ` <20130426115120.GG31157-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-26 18:37                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                   ` <20130426183741.GA25940-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-29 15:27                                     ` Michal Hocko
2013-04-24 21:45                         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-25  0:33                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                             ` <20130425003335.GA32353-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-29 18:39                               ` Johannes Weiner
2013-04-23  9:33                       ` [RFC v2 0/4] soft limit rework Michal Hocko
     [not found]                         ` <1366709639-10240-1-git-send-email-mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-23  9:33                           ` [RFC v2 1/4] memcg: integrate soft reclaim tighter with zone shrinking code Michal Hocko
2013-04-23  9:33                           ` [RFC v2 2/4] memcg: Get rid of soft-limit tree infrastructure Michal Hocko
2013-04-23  9:33                           ` [RFC v2 3/4] vmscan, memcg: Do softlimit reclaim also for targeted reclaim Michal Hocko
2013-04-23  9:33                           ` [RFC v2 4/4] memcg: Ignore soft limit until it is explicitly specified Michal Hocko

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