From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Hong zhi guo <honkiko-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>,
cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Hong Zhiguo <zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] blk-throttle: simplify logic by token bucket algorithm
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:22:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131016162205.GF17611@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131016155344.GA10012-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:53:44AM -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:14:06AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > - First of all, if you think that a group is entitiled for tokens even
> > when it is not doing IO, then why are you truncating the tokens after
> > dispatch of a BIO.
> >
> > - Second in general it does not seem right that a group is entitiled to
> > tokens even when no IO is happening or group is not backlogged. That
> > would mean a group will not do IO for 10 hours and then be entitiled
> > to those tokens suddenly after 10 hours with a huge burst.
> >
> > So I think you also agree that a group should not be entitiled to
> > tokens when group is not backlogged and that's why you seem to be
> > truncating extra tokens after dispatch of a BIO. If that's the case,
> > then even for first BIO, ideally a group should not be given tokens
> > for idle time.
>
> Without going into details, having token reserve is an important part
> of token based implementation. The large the reserve could be
> debatable but that's what provides "smoothing" of allocation. e.g. if
> you trim bucket as soon as the queue becomes empty, a queue with
> sequential access pattern can easily get disadvantaged. Another way
> to look at it is to consider as though the IO has been issued some
> time before than actual and waited for the token - it is the same to
> external observers.
>
> So, while how large the reserve should be is definitely debatable,
> bucket scheduling *needs* idle reserve.
Hi Tejun,
Agreed. We need some kind of smoothing and allow burst up to a limit. I
am only questioning *unlimited* tokens for the first bio in a group which
has been idle for a long time.
Thanks
Vivek
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-16 16:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-12 10:46 [PATCH] blk-throttle: simplify logic by token bucket algorithm Hong Zhiguo
[not found] ` <1381574794-7639-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-13 12:59 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-14 9:09 ` [PATCH v2] " Hong Zhiguo
[not found] ` <1381741757-20888-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:36 ` Tejun Heo
2013-10-14 13:47 ` Hong zhi guo
[not found] ` <20131014133620.GF4722-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:53 ` Hong zhi guo
[not found] ` <CAA7+ByWPM2Pizm+dP1AxPM7Ut-w=AtRfD2GkCK-0OVh+C2Twkg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:59 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20131014135929.GH4722-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 12:35 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-15 16:19 ` Jens Axboe
2013-10-15 13:03 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-15 17:32 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-16 6:09 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-16 14:14 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-16 15:47 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-16 15:53 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20131016155344.GA10012-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-16 16:22 ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2013-10-16 16:22 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-17 12:17 ` [PATCH v3] " Hong Zhiguo
[not found] ` <1382012272-26170-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-18 15:55 ` Vivek Goyal
[not found] ` <20131018155532.GD2277-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 12:08 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-20 12:11 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] " Hong Zhiguo
2013-10-20 12:11 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] " Hong Zhiguo
2014-04-10 10:07 ` Hong zhi guo
[not found] ` <CAA7+ByVJWjfs5HiMsnuum75egghrNQHt2KNNPTWeVa0-FWccaQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-10 13:32 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-20 12:11 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] blk-throttle: trim tokens generated for an idle tree Hong Zhiguo
[not found] ` <1382271072-15664-3-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 21:02 ` Vivek Goyal
[not found] ` <20131022210232.GB2884-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 3:30 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-28 5:08 ` Hong zhi guo
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