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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Hong zhi guo <honkiko-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Hong Zhiguo <zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] blk-throttle: simplify logic by token bucket algorithm
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 12:22:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131016162205.GF17611@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131016155344.GA10012-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:53:44AM -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:14:06AM -0400, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > - First of all, if you think that a group is entitiled for tokens even
> >   when it is not doing IO, then why are you truncating the tokens after
> >   dispatch of a BIO.
> > 
> > - Second in general it does not seem right that a group is entitiled to
> >   tokens even when no IO is happening or group is not backlogged. That
> >   would mean a group will not do IO for 10 hours and then be entitiled
> >   to those tokens suddenly after 10 hours with a huge burst.
> > 
> > So I think you also agree that a group should not be entitiled to
> > tokens when group is not backlogged and that's why you seem to be
> > truncating extra tokens after dispatch of a BIO. If that's the case,
> > then even for first BIO, ideally a group should not be given tokens
> > for idle time.
> 
> Without going into details, having token reserve is an important part
> of token based implementation.  The large the reserve could be
> debatable but that's what provides "smoothing" of allocation.  e.g. if
> you trim bucket as soon as the queue becomes empty, a queue with
> sequential access pattern can easily get disadvantaged.  Another way
> to look at it is to consider as though the IO has been issued some
> time before than actual and waited for the token - it is the same to
> external observers.
> 
> So, while how large the reserve should be is definitely debatable,
> bucket scheduling *needs* idle reserve.

Hi Tejun,

Agreed. We need some kind of smoothing and allow burst up to a limit. I
am only questioning *unlimited* tokens for the first bio in a group which
has been idle for a long time.

Thanks
Vivek

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-16 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-12 10:46 [PATCH] blk-throttle: simplify logic by token bucket algorithm Hong Zhiguo
     [not found] ` <1381574794-7639-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-13 12:59   ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-14  9:09 ` [PATCH v2] " Hong Zhiguo
     [not found]   ` <1381741757-20888-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:36     ` Tejun Heo
2013-10-14 13:47       ` Hong zhi guo
     [not found]       ` <20131014133620.GF4722-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:53         ` Hong zhi guo
     [not found]           ` <CAA7+ByWPM2Pizm+dP1AxPM7Ut-w=AtRfD2GkCK-0OVh+C2Twkg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-14 13:59             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20131014135929.GH4722-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-15 12:35                 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-15 16:19                   ` Jens Axboe
2013-10-15 13:03         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-15 17:32     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-16  6:09       ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-16 14:14         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-16 15:47           ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-16 15:53           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20131016155344.GA10012-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-16 16:22               ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2013-10-16 16:22               ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-17 12:17 ` [PATCH v3] " Hong Zhiguo
     [not found]   ` <1382012272-26170-1-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-18 15:55     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]       ` <20131018155532.GD2277-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 12:08         ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-20 12:11       ` [PATCH v4 0/2] " Hong Zhiguo
2013-10-20 12:11         ` [PATCH v4 1/2] " Hong Zhiguo
2014-04-10 10:07           ` Hong zhi guo
     [not found]             ` <CAA7+ByVJWjfs5HiMsnuum75egghrNQHt2KNNPTWeVa0-FWccaQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-10 13:32               ` Vivek Goyal
2013-10-20 12:11         ` [PATCH v4 2/2] blk-throttle: trim tokens generated for an idle tree Hong Zhiguo
     [not found]           ` <1382271072-15664-3-git-send-email-zhiguohong-1Nz4purKYjRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 21:02             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]               ` <20131022210232.GB2884-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23  3:30                 ` Hong zhi guo
2013-10-28  5:08               ` Hong zhi guo

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