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From: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Richard Davies <richard-li8END47hbdWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov
	<vdavydov-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Marian Marinov <mm-NV7Lj0SOnH0@public.gmane.org>,
	Max Kellermann <mk-xMchvyqCc6DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Tim Hockin <thockin-Rl2oBbRerpQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker
	<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Daniel Walsh <dwalsh-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	William Dauchy <wdauchy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Protection against container fork bombs [WAS: Re: memcg with kmem limit doesn't recover after disk i/o causes limit to be hit]
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:03:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140429130353.GA27354@ubuntumail> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140429072515.GB15058-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>

Quoting Michal Hocko (mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org):
> On Mon 28-04-14 18:00:25, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Dwight Engen (dwight.engen-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org):
> > > On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:07:28 +0300
> > > Marian Marinov <mm-NV7Lj0SOnH0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On 04/22/2014 11:05 PM, Richard Davies wrote:
> > > > > Dwight Engen wrote:
> > > > >> Richard Davies wrote:
> > > > >>> Vladimir Davydov wrote:
> > > > >>>> In short, kmem limiting for memory cgroups is currently broken.
> > > > >>>> Do not use it. We are working on making it usable though.
> > > > > ...
> > > > >>> What is the best mechanism available today, until kmem limits
> > > > >>> mature?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> RLIMIT_NPROC exists but is per-user, not per-container.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Perhaps there is an up-to-date task counter patchset or similar?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I updated Frederic's task counter patches and included Max
> > > > >> Kellermann's fork limiter here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.containers/27212
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I can send you a more recent patchset (against 3.13.10) if you
> > > > >> would find it useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes please, I would be interested in that. Ideally even against
> > > > > 3.14.1 if you have that too.
> > > > 
> > > > Dwight, do you have these patches in any public repo?
> > > > 
> > > > I would like to test them also.
> > > 
> > > Hi Marian, I put the patches against 3.13.11 and 3.14.1 up at:
> > > 
> > > git://github.com/dwengen/linux.git cpuacct-task-limit-3.13
> > > git://github.com/dwengen/linux.git cpuacct-task-limit-3.14
> > 
> > Thanks, Dwight.  FWIW I'm agreed with Tim, Dwight, Richard, and Marian
> > that a task limit would be a proper cgroup extension, and specifically
> > that approximating that with a kmem limit is not a reasonable substitute.
> 
> The current state of the kmem limit, which is improving a lot thanks to
> Vladimir, is not a reason for a new extension/controller. We are just
> not yet there.

It has nothing to do with the state of the limit.  I simply don't
believe that emulating RLIMIT_NPROC by controlling stack size is a
good idea.

-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-04-29 13:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-16 15:46 memcg with kmem limit doesn't recover after disk i/o causes limit to be hit Richard Davies
2014-04-18 15:59 ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]   ` <20140418155939.GE4523-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-18 17:57     ` Vladimir Davydov
     [not found]       ` <5351679F.5040908-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-18 18:20         ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-18 18:37           ` Vladimir Davydov
2014-04-20 14:28       ` Protection against container fork bombs [WAS: Re: memcg with kmem limit doesn't recover after disk i/o causes limit to be hit] Richard Davies
2014-04-20 18:35         ` Tim Hockin
2014-04-22 18:39         ` Dwight Engen
2014-04-22 20:05           ` Richard Davies
2014-04-22 20:13             ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]             ` <20140422200531.GA19334-2oeHp4OYwSjPZs67QiJbJtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-23  6:07               ` Marian Marinov
2014-04-23 12:49                 ` Dwight Engen
2014-05-06 11:40                   ` Marian Marinov
2014-05-07 17:15                     ` Dwight Engen
     [not found]                       ` <20140507131514.43716518-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-07 22:39                         ` Marian Marinov
     [not found]                           ` <536AB626.9070005-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-08 15:25                             ` Richard Davies
     [not found]                   ` <20140423084942.560ae837-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-28 18:00                     ` Serge Hallyn
2014-04-29  7:25                       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                         ` <20140429072515.GB15058-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 13:03                           ` Serge Hallyn [this message]
2014-04-29 13:57                             ` Marian Marinov
2014-04-29 14:04                             ` Tim Hockin
2014-04-29 15:43                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-29 16:06                               ` Tim Hockin
2014-04-29 16:51                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]                                   ` <20140429165114.GE6129-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 16:59                                     ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                       ` <CAO_Rewa20dneL8e3T4UPnu2Dkv28KTgFJR9_YSmRBKp-_yqewg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 17:06                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-29 17:30                                           ` Dwight Engen
2014-04-29 18:09                                             ` Richard Davies
     [not found]                                               ` <20140429180927.GB29606-2oeHp4OYwSjPZs67QiJbJtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 18:27                                                 ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                   ` <20140429182742.GB25609-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 18:39                                                     ` Richard Davies
2014-04-29 19:03                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-29 21:36                                                     ` Marian Marinov
     [not found]                                                       ` <53601B68.60906-NV7Lj0SOnH0@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30 13:31                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-29 21:44                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-04-30 13:12                                           ` Daniel J Walsh
     [not found]                                             ` <5360F6B4.9010308-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30 13:28                                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2014-06-10 14:50                     ` Marian Marinov
2014-06-10 12:18               ` Alin Dobre

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