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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Tim Hockin <thockin-Rl2oBbRerpQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Austin S Hemmelgarn"
	<ahferroin7-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Aleksa Sarai" <cyphar-gVpy/LI/lHzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Li Zefan" <lizefan-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	richard-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker"
	<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Cgroups <cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/2] add nproc cgroup subsystem
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:56:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150227175619.GN3964@htj.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150227174503.GM3964-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:45:03PM -0500, Tejun Heo wrote:
> If your complaint is that this is taking too long, I hear you, and
> there's a certain amount of validity in arguing that upstreaming a
> temporary measure is the better trade-off, but the rationale for nproc
> (or nfds, or virtual memory, whatever) has been pretty weak otherwise.

Also, note that this is subset of a larger problem.  e.g. there's a
patchset trying to implement writeback IO control from the filesystem
layer.  cgroup control of writeback has been a thorny issue for over
three years now and the rationale for implementing this reversed
controlling scheme is about the same - doing it properly is too
difficult, let's bolt something on the top as a practical measure.

I think it'd be seriously short-sighted to give in and merge all
those.  These sorts of shortcuts are crippling in the long term.
Again, similarly, proper cgroup writeback support is literally right
around the corner.

The situation sure can be frustrating if you need something now but we
can't make decisions solely on that.  This is an a lot longer term
project and we better, for once, get things right.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-27 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-23  3:08 [PATCH RFC 0/2] add nproc cgroup subsystem Aleksa Sarai
2015-02-23  3:08 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] cgroups: allow a cgroup subsystem to reject a fork Aleksa Sarai
2015-02-23 14:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-23  3:08 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] cgroups: add an nproc subsystem Aleksa Sarai
2015-02-27 11:49 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] add nproc cgroup subsystem Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <20150227114940.GB3964-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27 13:46     ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]       ` <54F07525.4050100-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27 13:52         ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-27 16:42     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]       ` <54F09E62.8000007-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27 17:06         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20150227170640.GK3964-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27 17:25             ` Tim Hockin
2015-02-27 17:45               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20150227174503.GM3964-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27 17:56                   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2015-02-27 21:45                   ` Tim Hockin
2015-02-27 21:49                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <CAAAKZwsCc8BtFx58KMFpRTohU81oCBeGVOPGMJrjJt9q5upKfQ@mail.gmail.com>
2015-02-28 16:57                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                           ` <20150228165706.GS3964-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-28 22:26                             ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                               ` <CAAAKZwv=idxvrffHx2QyW=PGH4k42ckq-VLJGQrXkeQ6NmByRQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-28 22:50                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                   ` <20150228225036.GA4597-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-01  4:46                                     ` Tim Hockin
2015-02-28 23:11                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-27 18:49             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]               ` <54F0BC51.4050506-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27 19:35                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-28  9:26                 ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                   ` <CAOviyajSOY6kTiwTA+APf9VGT=Ui=0QQH6KUqwaxHB3ahuJk2g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-28 11:59                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <CAAAKZws45c3PhFQMGrm_K+OZV+KOyGV9sXTakHcTfNP1kHxzOQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <CAAAKZws45c3PhFQMGrm_K+OZV+KOyGV9sXTakHcTfNP1kHxzOQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-28 16:43                           ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-02 13:13                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]                               ` <54F461F3.3030903-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-02 13:31                                 ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                                   ` <CAOviyahKJthwLTND51HhaRNB_KJC60T7HFHjdqPZf3pQmAUAhw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-02 13:54                                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-02 13:49                               ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-27 17:12       ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]         ` <CAO_RewbeTbMuqVG5wsui_gHwrdgqjF0KLk6yr5a3bb76VOkofg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27 17:15           ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-04 20:23 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] cgroup: add pids subsystem Aleksa Sarai
2015-03-04 20:23   ` [PATCH v3 1/2] cgroups: allow a cgroup subsystem to reject a fork Aleksa Sarai
2015-03-04 20:23   ` [PATCH v3 2/2] cgroups: add a pids subsystem Aleksa Sarai
2015-03-05  8:39     ` Aleksa Sarai
2015-03-05 14:37     ` Marian Marinov
     [not found] ` <1424660891-12719-1-git-send-email-cyphar-gVpy/LI/lHzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27  4:17   ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] add nproc cgroup subsystem Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]     ` <1425010639-16492-1-git-send-email-cyphar-gVpy/LI/lHzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-27  4:17       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] cgroups: allow a cgroup subsystem to reject a fork Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]         ` <1425010639-16492-2-git-send-email-cyphar-gVpy/LI/lHzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09  3:06           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <CAOviyaip7Faz98YWzGoTaXGYVb72sfD+ZL4Xa89reU9+=43jFA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <20150309065902.GP13283@htj.duckdns.org>
     [not found]                 ` <20150309065902.GP13283-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-10  8:19                   ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                     ` <CAOviyaj3mf66ho15WrD8qB=ECxKWYTAkWodxWaFVMWeZG4d0FQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-10 12:47                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20150310124701.GB28730-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-10 14:51                           ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                             ` <CAOviyai7yJrbGb+uYpK35tw7R-KM0jWQ-BmhpyTqnRFJsVYdUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-10 15:17                               ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-11  5:16                                 ` Aleksa Sarai
2015-03-11 11:46                                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-11 23:47                   ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                     ` <CAOviyaj55Yqahz75Gy5=yjFteeKFp7746=80-Ufww2E62Ads_Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-12  1:25                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-02-27  4:17     ` [PATCH v2 2/2] cgroups: add an nproc subsystem Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]       ` <1425010639-16492-3-git-send-email-cyphar-gVpy/LI/lHzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-02 15:22         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20150302152205.GC17694-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09  1:49             ` Zefan Li
     [not found]               ` <54FCFC39.6050900-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09  2:34                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-06  1:45   ` [PATCH v4 0/2] cgroup: add pids subsystem Aleksa Sarai
2015-03-06  1:45     ` [PATCH v4 1/2] cgroups: allow a cgroup subsystem to reject a fork Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]     ` <1425606357-6337-1-git-send-email-cyphar-gVpy/LI/lHzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-06  1:45       ` [PATCH v4 2/2] cgroups: add a pids subsystem Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]         ` <1425606357-6337-3-git-send-email-cyphar-gVpy/LI/lHzQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09  3:34           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20150309033405.GE13283-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09  3:39               ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-09 18:58               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]                 ` <54FDED43.4050908-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09 19:51                   ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-10  8:10                   ` Aleksa Sarai
2015-03-10 11:32                     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]                       ` <54FED651.6040100-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-10 12:31                         ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]                           ` <CAOviyagpCNcAN4hdhsxffdpE+yDmw+NXx+FikTe64GJ1hQeXhQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-11 15:13                             ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
     [not found]                               ` <55005BAC.9060405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-12  2:28                                 ` Aleksa Sarai
2015-03-12 15:35                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-03-12  3:47                               ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-09  3:08       ` [PATCH v4 0/2] cgroup: add " Tejun Heo

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