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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCHSET RFC cgroup/for-4.6] cgroup, sched: implement resource group and PRIO_RGRP
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:08:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160407080833.GK3430@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160407073547.GA12560-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 03:35:47AM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 08:45:49AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > So I recently got made aware of the fact that cgroupv2 doesn't allow
> > tasks to be associated with !leaf cgroups, this is yet another
> > capability of cpu-cgroup you've destroyed.
> 
> May I ask how you are using that?

_I_ use a kernel with CONFIG_CGROUPS=n (yes really).

But seriously? You have to ask?

The root cgroup is per definition not a leaf, and all tasks start life
there, and some cannot be ever moved out.

Therefore _everybody_ uses this.

> The behavior for tasks in !leaf groups was fairly inconsistent across
> controllers because they all did different things, or didn't handle it
> at all.

Then they're all bloody broken, because fully hierarchical was an early
requirement for cgroups; I know, because I had to throw away many days
of work and start over with cgroup support when they did that.

> So it was a nice cleanup for the memory controller and I believe the
> IO controller as well. I'd be curious how it'd be a problem for CPU?

The full hierarchy took years to make work and is fully ingrained with
how the thing words, changing it isn't going to be nice or easy.


So sure, go with a lowest common denominator, instead of fixing shit,
yay for progress :/


  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-07  8:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-11 15:41 [PATCHSET RFC cgroup/for-4.6] cgroup, sched: implement resource group and PRIO_RGRP Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <1457710888-31182-1-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-11 15:41   ` [PATCH 01/10] cgroup: introduce cgroup_[un]lock() Tejun Heo
2016-03-11 15:41   ` [PATCH 03/10] cgroup: introduce CGRP_MIGRATE_* flags Tejun Heo
2016-03-11 15:41   ` [PATCH 05/10] cgroup, fork: add @new_rgrp_cset[p] and @clone_flags to cgroup fork callbacks Tejun Heo
2016-03-11 15:41   ` [PATCH 07/10] cgroup: introduce resource group Tejun Heo
2016-03-11 15:41   ` [PATCH 08/10] cgroup: implement rgroup control mask handling Tejun Heo
2016-03-11 15:41   ` [PATCH 10/10] cgroup, sched: implement PRIO_RGRP for {set|get}priority() Tejun Heo
2016-03-12  6:26   ` [PATCHSET RFC cgroup/for-4.6] cgroup, sched: implement resource group and PRIO_RGRP Mike Galbraith
     [not found]     ` <1457764019.10402.72.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-12 17:04       ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]         ` <1457802262.3628.129.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-12 17:13           ` cgroup NAKs ignored? " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <20160312171318.GD1108-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-13 14:42               ` Tejun Heo
2016-03-13 15:00       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20160313150012.GB13405-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-13 17:40           ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]             ` <1457890835.3859.72.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07  0:00               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20160407000034.GL24661-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07  3:26                   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-03-14  2:23           ` Mike Galbraith
2016-03-14 11:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]     ` <20160314113013.GM6344-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-06 15:58       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20160406155830.GI24661-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07  6:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]             ` <20160407064549.GH3430-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07  7:35               ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                 ` <20160407073547.GA12560-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07  8:05                   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-07  8:08                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <20160407080833.GK3430-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07  9:28                       ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                         ` <20160407092824.GA13839-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07 10:42                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-07 19:45                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20160407194555.GI7822-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07 20:25                           ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                             ` <20160407202542.GD3448-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-08 20:11                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20160408201135.GO24661-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-09  6:16                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-09 13:39                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                     ` <20160409133917.GV3448-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-12 22:29                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20160412222915.GT24661-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-13  7:43                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-13 15:59                                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                               ` <20160413155952.GU24661-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-13 19:15                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-14  6:07                                               ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                                 ` <1460614057.5100.150.camel-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 19:57                                                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                     ` <20160414195748.GK7822-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15  2:42                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2016-04-09 16:02                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-07  8:28                   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                     ` <20160407082810.GN3430-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07 19:04                       ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                         ` <20160407190424.GA20407-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07 19:31                           ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                             ` <20160407193127.GB3448-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07 20:23                               ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                                 ` <20160407202344.GA22509-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-08  3:13                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2016-03-15 17:21   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <20160315172136.GA6114-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-06 21:53       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20160406215307.GJ24661-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-07  6:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-11 15:41 ` [PATCH 02/10] cgroup: un-inline cgroup_path() and friends Tejun Heo
2016-03-11 15:41 ` [PATCH 04/10] signal: make put_signal_struct() public Tejun Heo
2016-03-11 15:41 ` [PATCH 06/10] cgroup, fork: add @child and @clone_flags to threadgroup_change_begin/end() Tejun Heo
2016-03-11 15:41 ` [PATCH 09/10] cgroup: implement rgroup subtree migration Tejun Heo

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