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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Leonid Moiseichuk <lmoiseichuk-baZASSJvGmz3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] memcg, vmpressure: expose vmpressure controls
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:55:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200415075532.GZ4629@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAELvCDS_z-bTvRZ7fxkfHjnjV1WzFcxarzrbT1pDwkXX_dmOoA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Tue 14-04-20 18:12:47, Leonid Moiseichuk wrote:
> I do not agree with all comments, see below.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:23 PM Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:42:44PM -0400, Leonid Moiseichuk wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:37 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > > On Mon 13-04-20 17:57:48, svc_lmoiseichuk-baZASSJvGmz3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org wrote:
> > > > Anyway, I have to confess I am not a big fan of this. vmpressure turned
> > > > out to be a very weak interface to measure the memory pressure. Not
> > only
> > > > it is not numa aware which makes it unusable on many systems it also
> > > > gives data way too late from the practice.
> >
> > Yes, it's late in the game for vmpressure, and also a bit too late for
> > extensive changes in cgroup1.
> >
> 200 lines just to move functionality from one place to another without
> logic change?
> There does not seem to be extensive changes.

Any user visible API is an big change. We have to maintain any api for
ever. So there has to be a really strong reason/use case for inclusion.
I haven't heard any strong justification so far. It all seems to me that
you are trying to workaround real vmpressure issues by fine tunning
parameters and that is almost always a bad reason for a adding a new
tunning.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

      parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-15  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-13 21:57 [PATCH 0/2] memcg, vmpressure: expose vmpressure controls svc_lmoiseichuk-baZASSJvGmz3oGB3hsPCZA
     [not found] ` <20200413215750.7239-1-lmoiseichuk-baZASSJvGmz3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-13 21:57   ` [PATCH 1/2] memcg: expose vmpressure knobs svc_lmoiseichuk-baZASSJvGmz3oGB3hsPCZA
     [not found]     ` <20200413215750.7239-2-lmoiseichuk-baZASSJvGmz3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-14 22:55       ` Chris Down
2020-04-13 21:57   ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg, vmpressure: expose vmpressure controls svc_lmoiseichuk-baZASSJvGmz3oGB3hsPCZA
2020-04-14 11:37   ` [PATCH 0/2] " Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <CAELvCDTGnpA4WBAMZjGSLTrg2-Dbb3kTmLjMTw_JLYXBdvpcxw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <CAELvCDTGnpA4WBAMZjGSLTrg2-Dbb3kTmLjMTw_JLYXBdvpcxw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-14 18:49         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]           ` <CAELvCDQRYmTZrGSwBUjnRJB3kfB_5JOJ5ELdGv+tkCyhvM=x9A@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <CAELvCDQRYmTZrGSwBUjnRJB3kfB_5JOJ5ELdGv+tkCyhvM=x9A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-15  7:51               ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                 ` <CAELvCDRpVi4zjpHCw1oeY=GXf8XO2TXGUFAwztvydS27Q8L9Sw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <CAELvCDRpVi4zjpHCw1oeY=GXf8XO2TXGUFAwztvydS27Q8L9Sw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-15 12:28                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-04-14 19:23         ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]           ` <CAELvCDS_z-bTvRZ7fxkfHjnjV1WzFcxarzrbT1pDwkXX_dmOoA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <CAELvCDS_z-bTvRZ7fxkfHjnjV1WzFcxarzrbT1pDwkXX_dmOoA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-15  7:55               ` Michal Hocko [this message]

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