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From: Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "David Vernet" <void-gq6j2QGBifHby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>,
	"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	roman.gushchin-fxUVXftIFDnyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	shakeelb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	kernel-team-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org,
	"Richard Palethorpe" <rpalethorpe-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] cgroup: Account for memory_recursiveprot in test_memcg_low()
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 17:44:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220509174424.e43e695ffe0f7333c187fba8@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ynkum8DeJIAtGi9y-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, 9 May 2022 11:09:15 -0400 Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 09:40:15AM -0700, David Vernet wrote:
> > Sorry for the delayed reply, Michal. I've been at LSFMM this week.
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 11:26:20AM +0200, Michal Koutný wrote:
> > > I still think that the behavior when there's no protection left for the
> > > memory.low == 0 child, there should be no memory.low events (not just
> > > uncounted but not happening) and test should not accept this (even
> > > though it's the current behavior).
> >
> > That's fair. I think part of the problem here is that in general, the
> > memcontroller itself is quite heuristic, so it's tough to write tests that
> > provide useful coverage while also being sufficiently flexible to avoid
> > flakiness and over-prescribing expected behavior. In this case I think it's
> > probably correct that the memory.low == 0 child shouldn't inherit
> > protection from its parent under any circumstances due to its siblings
> > overcommitting the parent's protection, but I also wonder if it's really
> > necessary to enforce that. If you look at how much memory A/B/E gets at the
> > end of the reclaim, it's still far less than 1MB (though should it be 0?).
> > I'd be curious to hear what Johannes thinks.
> 
> We need to distinguish between what the siblings declare and what they
> consume.
> 
> My understanding of the issue you're raising, Michal, is that
> protected siblings start with current > low, then get reclaimed
> slightly too much and end up with current < low. This results in a
> tiny bit of float that then gets assigned to the low=0 sibling; when
> that sibling gets reclaimed regardless, it sees a low event. Correct
> me if I missed a detail or nuance here.
> 
> But unused float going to siblings is intentional. This is documented
> in point 3 in the comment above effective_protection(): if you use
> less than you're legitimately claiming, the float goes to your
> siblings. So the problem doesn't seem to be with low accounting and
> event generation, but rather it's simply overreclaim.
> 
> It's conceivable to make reclaim more precise and then tighten up the
> test. But right now, David's patch looks correct to me.

So I think we're OK with [2/5] now.  Unless there be objections, I'll
be looking to get this series into mm-stable later this week.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-10  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-23 15:56 [PATCH v2 0/5] Fix bugs in memcontroller cgroup tests David Vernet
2022-04-23 15:56 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] cgroups: Refactor children cgroups in memcg tests David Vernet
     [not found]   ` <20220423155619.3669555-2-void-gq6j2QGBifHby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
2022-04-26  1:56     ` Roman Gushchin
     [not found] ` <20220423155619.3669555-1-void-gq6j2QGBifHby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
2022-04-23 15:56   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] cgroup: Account for memory_recursiveprot in test_memcg_low() David Vernet
     [not found]     ` <20220423155619.3669555-3-void-gq6j2QGBifHby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
2022-04-27 14:09       ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]         ` <20220427140928.GD9823-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-04-29  1:03           ` David Vernet
     [not found]             ` <20220429010333.5rt2jwpiumnbuapf-2sxDN0k4oOr/D8ZFBB3Vemm1Eemhq0z/AL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2022-04-29  9:26               ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]                 ` <20220429092620.GA23621-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-06 16:40                   ` David Vernet
     [not found]                     ` <20220506164015.fsdsuv226nhllos5-2sxDN0k4oOr/D8ZFBB3Vemm1Eemhq0z/AL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-09 15:09                       ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                         ` <Ynkum8DeJIAtGi9y-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-10  0:44                           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <20220509174424.e43e695ffe0f7333c187fba8-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-10 17:43                               ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]                                 ` <20220510174341.GC24172-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-11 17:53                                   ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                                     ` <Ynv4AdjeVjptnjrH-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-12 17:27                                       ` Michal Koutný
2022-04-23 15:56   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] cgroup: Account for memory_localevents in test_memcg_oom_group_leaf_events() David Vernet
2022-04-23 15:56   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] cgroup: Removing racy check in test_memcg_sock() David Vernet
2022-04-23 15:56   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] cgroup: Fix racy check in alloc_pagecache_max_30M() helper function David Vernet
2022-05-12 17:04   ` [PATCH v2 0/5] Fix bugs in memcontroller cgroup tests Michal Koutný
     [not found]     ` <20220512170410.GA16096-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-12 17:30       ` David Vernet
     [not found]         ` <20220512173018.3pqlfwfigbbkoh4u-2sxDN0k4oOr/D8ZFBB3Vemm1Eemhq0z/AL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-12 17:44           ` David Vernet
     [not found]             ` <20220512174452.tr34tuh4k5jm6qjs-2sxDN0k4oOr/D8ZFBB3Vemm1Eemhq0z/AL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-13 17:18               ` [PATCH 0/4] memcontrol selftests fixups Michal Koutný
     [not found]                 ` <20220513171811.730-1-mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-13 17:18                   ` [PATCH 1/4] selftests: memcg: Fix compilation Michal Koutný
     [not found]                     ` <20220513171811.730-2-mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-13 17:40                       ` David Vernet
2022-05-13 18:53                       ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-13 19:09                         ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-13 17:18                   ` [PATCH 2/4] selftests: memcg: Expect no low events in unprotected sibling Michal Koutný
     [not found]                     ` <20220513171811.730-3-mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-13 17:42                       ` David Vernet
2022-05-13 18:54                     ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-18 15:54                       ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 17:18                   ` [PATCH 3/4] selftests: memcg: Adjust expected reclaim values of protected cgroups Michal Koutný
     [not found]                     ` <20220513171811.730-4-mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-13 18:52                       ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-13 17:18                   ` [PATCH 4/4] selftests: memcg: Remove protection from top level memcg Michal Koutný
     [not found]                     ` <20220513171811.730-5-mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-13 18:59                       ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-18  0:24                         ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                           ` <20220517172443.3e524a8319c693ab24c5f22e-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-18  0:52                             ` Roman Gushchin
2022-05-18 15:44                               ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-13 19:14                       ` David Vernet

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