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From: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jinke Han <hanjinke.666-EC8Uxl6Npydl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>,
	josef-DigfWCa+lFGyeJad7bwFQA@public.gmane.org,
	axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-block-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	yinxin.x-EC8Uxl6Npydl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org,
	jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] blk-throtl: Introduce sync and async queues for blk-throtl
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2023 20:22:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230105192247.GB16920@blackbody.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y7cKf7IH+FJ/6IyV-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>

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On Thu, Jan 05, 2023 at 07:35:59AM -1000, Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hard limits tend to make this sort of problems a lot more pronounced because
> the existing mechanisms tend to break down for the users which are severely
> throttled down even while the device as a whole is fairly idle. cpu.max
> often triggers severe priority inversions too, so it isn't too surprising
> that people hit severe priority inversion issues w/ io.max.

To be on the same page:
1) severe PI == priority inversion across cgroups (progated e.g. via
   global locks (as with cpu.max) or FS journal (as with io.max)),
2) ordinary PI == priority inversion contained within a single cgroup,
   i.e. no different from an under-provisioned system.

The reported issue sounds like 2) but even with the separated queues 1)
is still possible :-/

> Another problem with blk-throttle is that it doesn't prioritize shared IOs
> identified by bio_issue_as_root_blkg() like iolatency and iocost do, so
> there can be very severe priority inversions when e.g. journal commit gets
> trapped in a low priority cgroup further exacerbating issues like this.

Thanks for the broader view. So the separated queues are certainly an
improvement but ultimately a mechanism based on bio_issue_as_root_blkg()
predicate and deferred throttling would be better? Or is permanent limit
enforcement more important?

Thanks,
Michal

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-01-05 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-26 13:05 [PATCH v3] blk-throtl: Introduce sync and async queues for blk-throtl Jinke Han
2022-12-26 15:24 ` kernel test robot
     [not found] ` <20221226130505.7186-1-hanjinke.666-EC8Uxl6Npydl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-04 22:11   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <Y7X5rsnYCAAYRGQd-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-05  7:28       ` [External] " hanjinke
2023-01-05 16:18   ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]     ` <20230105161854.GA1259-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-05 17:35       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <Y7cKf7IH+FJ/6IyV-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-05 19:22           ` Michal Koutný [this message]
     [not found]             ` <20230105192247.GB16920-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-05 21:39               ` Tejun Heo
2023-01-06 15:38       ` Jan Kara
2023-01-06 16:58         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <Y7hTHZQYsCX6EHIN-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-06 18:07             ` [External] " hanjinke
     [not found]               ` <c839ba6c-80ac-6d92-af64-5c0e1956ae93-EC8Uxl6Npydl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-06 18:15                 ` Tejun Heo
2023-01-07  4:44                   ` hanjinke
     [not found]                     ` <e499f088-8ed9-2e19-b2e5-efaa4f9738f0-EC8Uxl6Npydl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-09 18:08                       ` Tejun Heo
2023-01-10 13:07                         ` hanjinke
2023-01-11 12:35               ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]                 ` <20230111123532.GB3673-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2023-01-12  3:26                   ` hanjinke
2023-01-09 10:59           ` Jan Kara
2023-01-09 17:10             ` Tejun Heo

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