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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	juri.lelli@redhat.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de, vschneid@redhat.com,
	longman@redhat.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org, mkoutny@suse.com,
	void@manifault.com, arighi@nvidia.com, changwoo@igalia.com,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, sched-ext@lists.linux.dev,
	liuwenfang@honor.com, tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/14] sched: Add shared runqueue locking to __task_rq_lock()
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 13:54:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250912115459.GZ3289052@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMNnLenCytO_KEKg@slm.duckdns.org>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2025 at 02:19:57PM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 05:44:21PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > @@ -703,17 +703,24 @@ void double_rq_lock(struct rq *rq1, stru
> >  struct rq *__task_rq_lock(struct task_struct *p, struct rq_flags *rf)
> >  	__acquires(rq->lock)
> >  {
> > +	raw_spinlock_t *slock;
> >  	struct rq *rq;
> >  
> >  	lockdep_assert_held(&p->pi_lock);
> >  
> >  	for (;;) {
> >  		rq = task_rq(p);
> > +		slock = p->srq_lock;
> >  		raw_spin_rq_lock(rq);
> > -		if (likely(rq == task_rq(p) && !task_on_rq_migrating(p))) {
> > +		if (slock)
> > +			raw_spin_lock(slock);
> > +		if (likely(rq == task_rq(p) && !task_on_rq_migrating(p) &&
> > +			   (!slock || p->srq_lock == slock))) {
> >  			rq_pin_lock(rq, rf);
> >  			return rq;
> >  		}

Yeah, I think that needs to change a little. Perhaps something like:

	slock2 = p->srq_lock;
	if (... && (!slock2 || slock2 == slock))

> With the !slock condition, the following scenario is possible:
> 
>   __task_rq_lock()
>      slock = p->srq_lock; /* NULL */
>                                                 dispatch_enqueue()
>                                                   p->srq_lock = &dsq->lock;
>                                                 enqueue finishes
>      raw_spin_rq_lock(rq);
>      rq is the same, $slock is NULL, return
>   do something assuming p is locked down        p gets dispatched to another rq
> 
> I'm unclear on when p->srq_lock would be safe to set and clear, so the goal
> is that whoever does [__]task_rq_lock() ends up waiting on the dsq lock that
> the task is queued on, and if we can exclude other sched operations that
> way, we don't have to hold source rq lock when moving the task to another rq
> for execution, right?

Indeed. If !p->srq_lock then task_rq(p)->lock must be sufficient.

So for enqueue, which sets p->srq_lock, this must be done while holding
task_rq(p)->lock.

So the above example should be serialized on task_rq(p)->lock, since
__task_rq_lock() holds it, enqueue cannot happen. Conversely, if enqueue
holds task_rq(p)->lock, then __task_rq_lock() will have to wait for
that, and then observe the newly set p->srq_lock and cycle to take that.

> In the last patch, it's set on dispatch_enqueue() and cleared when the task
> leaves the DSQ. Let's consider a simple scenario where a task gets enqueued,
> gets put on a non-local DSQ and then dispatched to a local DSQ, Assuming
> everything works out and we don't have to lock the source rq for migration,
> we'd be depending on task_rq_lock() reliably hitting p->srq_lock to avoid
> races, but I'm not sure how this would work. Let's say p is currently
> associated with CPU1 on a non-local DSQ w/ p->srq_lock set to its source
> DSQ.
> 
>   pick_task_ext() on CPU0               task property change on CPU1
>     locks the DSQ
>     picks p      
>     task_unlink_from_dsq()              task_rq_lock();
>       p->srq_lock = NULL;                 lock rq on CPU1
>     p is moved to local DSQ               sees p->src_lock == NULL
>                                           return
>   p starts running
>   anything can happen
>                                         proceed with property change

Hmm, the thinking was that if !p->srq_lock then task_rq(p)->lock should
be sufficient.

We must do set_task_cpu(0) before task_unlink_from_dsq() (and I got this
order wrong in yesterday's email).

  pick_task_ext() on CPU0		
    lock DSQ
    pick p
    set_task_cpu(0)			task_rq_lock()
    task_unlink_from_dsq()		  if !p->srq_lock, then task_rq(p) == 0
      p->srq_lock = NULL;
    p is moved to local DSQ

Perhaps the p->srq_lock store should be store-release, so that the cpu
store is before.

Then if we observe p->srq_lock, we'll serialize against DSQ and all is
well, if we observe !p->srq_lock then we must also observe task_rq(p) ==
0 and then we'll serialize on rq->lock.


Now let me see if there isn't an ABA issue here, consider:

pre: task_cpu(p) != 2, p->srq_lock = NULL

  CPU0				CPU1				CPU2

  __task_rq_lock()		enqueue_task_scx() 		pick_task_scx()

				rq = task_rq(p);
				LOCK rq->lock
  rq = task_rq(p)
  LOCK rq->lock
    .. waits
				LOCK dsq->lock
				enqueue on dsq
				p->srq_lock = &dsq->lock	
				UNLOCK dsq->lock
								LOCK dsq->lock
								pick p
				UNLOCK rq->lock
								set_task_cpu(2)
								task_unlink_from_dsq()
								  p->srq_lock = NULL;
								UNLOCK dsq->lock
    .. resumes
 
At this point our CPU0's __task_rq_lock():

  - if it observes p->srq_lock, it will cycle taking that, only to then
    find out p->srq_lock is no longer set, but then it must also see
    task_rq() has changed, so the next cycle will block on CPU2's
    rq->lock.

  - if it observes !p->srq_lock, then it cannot be the initial NULL,
    since the initial task_rq(p)->lock ordering prohibits this. So it
    must be the second NULL, which then also mandates we see the CPU
    change and we'll cycle to take CPU2's rq->lock.

That is, I _think_ we're okay :-)


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-12 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10 15:44 [PATCH 00/14] sched: Support shared runqueue locking Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 01/14] sched: Employ sched_change guards Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11  9:06   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-09-11  9:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11 10:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11 10:37         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-06 15:21   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-06 18:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-07  5:12       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-07  9:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 02/14] sched: Re-arrange the {EN,DE}QUEUE flags Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 03/14] sched: Fold sched_class::switch{ing,ed}_{to,from}() into the change pattern Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 04/14] sched: Cleanup sched_delayed handling for class switches Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 05/14] sched: Move sched_class::prio_changed() into the change pattern Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11  1:44   ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 06/14] sched: Fix migrate_disable_switch() locking Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 07/14] sched: Fix do_set_cpus_allowed() locking Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-30  0:12   ` Mark Brown
2025-10-30  9:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-30 12:47       ` Mark Brown
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 08/14] sched: Rename do_set_cpus_allowed() Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 09/14] sched: Make __do_set_cpus_allowed() use the sched_change pattern Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 10/14] sched: Add locking comments to sched_class methods Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 11/14] sched: Add flags to {put_prev,set_next}_task() methods Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 12/14] sched: Add shared runqueue locking to __task_rq_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-12  0:19   ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-12 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-09-12 14:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-12 17:56       ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-15  8:38         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-16 22:29           ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-16 22:41             ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-25  8:35               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-25 21:43                 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-26  9:59                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-26 16:48                     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-26 10:36                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-26 21:39                     ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-29 10:06                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-30 23:49                         ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-01 11:54                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-02 23:32                             ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 13/14] sched: Add {DE,EN}QUEUE_LOCKED Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11  2:01   ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-11  9:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11 20:40       ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-12 14:19         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-12 16:32           ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-13 22:32             ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-15  8:48               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-25 13:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-25 15:40               ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-25 15:53                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-25 18:44                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-10 15:44 ` [PATCH 14/14] sched/ext: Implement p->srq_lock support Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 16:07   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 17:32 ` [PATCH 00/14] sched: Support shared runqueue locking Andrea Righi
2025-09-10 18:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 18:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-10 19:00     ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-11  9:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11 14:51       ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-11 14:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11 14:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-11 14:48       ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-18 15:15 ` Christian Loehle
2025-09-25  9:00   ` Peter Zijlstra

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