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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>
Cc: mhocko@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev,  muchun.song@linux.dev,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@fromorbit.com,
	 zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com, yosry.ahmed@linux.dev,
	nphamcs@gmail.com,  chengming.zhou@linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  hamzamahfooz@linux.microsoft.com,
	apais@linux.microsoft.com,  Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 07/28] mm: thp: use folio_batch to handle THP splitting in deferred_split_scan()
Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 23:44:55 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <235f2616-99dd-abfa-f6d1-c178d8ffb363@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250430143714.GA2020@cmpxchg.org>

On Wed, 30 Apr 2025, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:45:11AM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
> > The maintenance of the folio->_deferred_list is intricate because it's
> > reused in a local list.
> > 
> > Here are some peculiarities:
> > 
> >    1) When a folio is removed from its split queue and added to a local
> >       on-stack list in deferred_split_scan(), the ->split_queue_len isn't
> >       updated, leading to an inconsistency between it and the actual
> >       number of folios in the split queue.
> > 
> >    2) When the folio is split via split_folio() later, it's removed from
> >       the local list while holding the split queue lock. At this time,
> >       this lock protects the local list, not the split queue.
> > 
> >    3) To handle the race condition with a third-party freeing or migrating
> >       the preceding folio, we must ensure there's always one safe (with
> >       raised refcount) folio before by delaying its folio_put(). More
> >       details can be found in commit e66f3185fa04. It's rather tricky.
> > 
> > We can use the folio_batch infrastructure to handle this clearly. In this
> > case, ->split_queue_len will be consistent with the real number of folios
> > in the split queue. If list_empty(&folio->_deferred_list) returns false,
> > it's clear the folio must be in its split queue (not in a local list
> > anymore).
> > 
> > In the future, we aim to reparent LRU folios during memcg offline to
> > eliminate dying memory cgroups. This patch prepares for using
> > folio_split_queue_lock_irqsave() as folio memcg may change then.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>
> 
> This is a very nice simplification. And getting rid of the stack list
> and its subtle implication on all the various current and future
> list_empty(&folio->_deferred_list) checks should be much more robust.
> 
> However, I think there is one snag related to this:
>...
> There IS a list_empty() check in the splitting code that we actually
> relied on, for cleaning up the partially_mapped state and counter:
> 
> 		    !list_empty(&folio->_deferred_list)) {
> 			ds_queue->split_queue_len--;
> 			if (folio_test_partially_mapped(folio)) {
> 				folio_clear_partially_mapped(folio);
> 				mod_mthp_stat(folio_order(folio),
> 					      MTHP_STAT_NR_ANON_PARTIALLY_MAPPED, -1);
> 			}
> 			/*
> 			 * Reinitialize page_deferred_list after removing the
> 			 * page from the split_queue, otherwise a subsequent
> 			 * split will see list corruption when checking the
> 			 * page_deferred_list.
> 			 */
> 			list_del_init(&folio->_deferred_list);
> 
> With the folios isolated up front, it looks like you need to handle
> this from the shrinker.

Good catch.  I loaded up patches 01-07/28 on top of 6.15-rc5 yesterday,
and after a good run of 12 hours on this laptop, indeed I can see
vmstat nr_anon_partially_mapped 78299, whereas it usually ends up at 0.

> 
> Otherwise this looks correct to me. But this code is subtle, I would
> feel much better if Hugh (CC-ed) could take a look as well.

However... I was intending to run it for 12 hours on the workstation,
but after 11 hours and 35 minutes, that crashed with list_del corruption,
kernel BUG at lib/list_debug.c:65! from deferred_split_scan()'s
list_del_init().

I've not yet put together the explanation: I am deeply suspicious of
the change to when list_empty() becomes true (the block Hannes shows
above is not the only such: (__)folio_unqueue_deferred_split() and
migrate_pages_batch() consult it too), but each time I think I have
the explanation, it's ruled out by folio_try_get()'s reference.

And aside from the crash (I don't suppose 6.15-rc5 is responsible,
or that patches 08-28/28 would fix it), I'm not so sure that this
patch is really an improvement (folio reference held for longer, and
list lock taken more often when split fails: maybe not important, but
I'm also not so keen on adding in fbatch myself).  I didn't spend very
long looking through the patches, but maybe this 07/28 is not essential?

Let me try again to work out what's wrong tomorrow,
Hugh

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-06  6:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-15  2:45 [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 01/28] mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:35   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 02/28] mm: memcontrol: use folio_memcg_charged() to avoid potential rcu lock holding Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:48   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-18  2:38     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 03/28] mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:52   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 04/28] mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:53   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 05/28] mm: thp: replace folio_memcg() with folio_memcg_charged() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:54   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 06/28] mm: thp: introduce folio_split_queue_lock and its variants Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:58   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-18 19:50   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-19 14:20     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 07/28] mm: thp: use folio_batch to handle THP splitting in deferred_split_scan() Muchun Song
2025-04-30 14:37   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-05-06  6:44     ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
2025-05-06 21:44       ` Hugh Dickins
2025-05-07  3:30         ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 08/28] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Muchun Song
2025-04-30 14:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 09/28] mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 10/28] mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup Muchun Song
2025-06-28  3:09   ` Chen Ridong
2025-06-30  7:16     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 11/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 12/28] buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 13/28] writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 14/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in count_memcg_folio_events() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 15/28] mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 16/28] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 17/28] mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 18/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in mem_cgroup_swap_full() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 19/28] mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 20/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 21/28] mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 17:39   ` Nhat Pham
2025-04-18  2:36   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 22/28] mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in swap module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 23/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 24/28] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for lruvec lock Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 25/28] mm: thp: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for split queue lock Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 26/28] mm: memcontrol: introduce memcg_reparent_ops Muchun Song
2025-06-30 12:47   ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-01 22:12     ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-07  9:29       ` [External] " Muchun Song
2025-07-09  0:14         ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 27/28] mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU folios Muchun Song
2025-05-20 11:27   ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-22  2:31     ` Muchun Song
2025-05-23  1:24       ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 28/28] mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:53 ` [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-15  6:19 ` Kairui Song
2025-04-15  8:01   ` Muchun Song
2025-04-17 18:22     ` Kairui Song
2025-04-17 19:04       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-06-27  8:50         ` Chen Ridong
2025-04-17 21:45       ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28  3:43         ` Kairui Song
2025-06-27  9:02           ` Chen Ridong
2025-06-27 18:54             ` Kairui Song
2025-06-27 19:14               ` Shakeel Butt
2025-06-28  9:21                 ` Chen Ridong
2025-04-22 14:20       ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-05-23  1:23 ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-23  2:39   ` Muchun Song

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