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From: Waiman Long <longman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Roman Gushchin
	<roman.gushchin-fxUVXftIFDnyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song-fxUVXftIFDnyG1zEObXtfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ivan Babrou <ivan-lDpJ742SOEtZroRs9YW3xA@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 13:35:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <307cbcf6-dca2-0b5d-93e8-11368a931d2f@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tkZsGfYXkWM5aa67v3JytTO04LS7_x+ooMDK82cBZ-C8eQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On 8/28/23 13:28, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 10:27 AM Waiman Long <longman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 8/28/23 13:07, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
>>>> Here I agree with you. Let's go with the approach which is easy to
>>>> undo for now. Though I prefer the new explicit interface for flushing,
>>>> that step would be very hard to undo. Let's reevaluate if the proposed
>>>> approach shows negative impact on production traffic and I think
>>>> Cloudflare folks can give us the results soon.
>>> Do you prefer we also switch to using a mutex (with preemption
>>> disabled) to avoid the scenario Michal described where flushers give
>>> up the lock and sleep resulting in an unbounded wait time in the worst
>>> case?
>> Locking with mutex with preemption disabled is an oxymoron. Use spinlock
>> if you want to have preemption disabled. The purpose of usiing mutex is
>> to allow the lock owner to sleep, but you can't sleep with preemption
>> disabled. You need to enable preemption first. You can disable
>> preemption for a short time in a non-sleeping section of the lock
>> critical section, but I would not recommend disabling preemption for the
>> whole critical section.
> I thought using a mutex with preemption disabled would at least allow
> waiters to sleep rather than spin, is this not correct (or doesn't
> matter) ?

Because of optimistic spinning, a mutex lock waiter will only sleep if 
the lock holder sleep or when its time slice run out. So the waiters are 
likely to spin for quite a while before they go to sleep.

Cheers,
Longman


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-28 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 20:54 [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: memcg: properly name and document unified stats flushing Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: memcg: add a helper for non-unified " Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]   ` <20230821205458.1764662-3-yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-22 13:01     ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:00       ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]         ` <CAJD7tkaVuiMU-ifJiyH5d_W1hi9DnAymYJxzBxEKCVX+tU=OCA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-22 16:35           ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:48             ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found] ` <20230821205458.1764662-1-yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-21 20:54   ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]     ` <20230821205458.1764662-4-yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-22  9:06       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <ZOR6eyYfJYlxdMet-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-22 15:30           ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]             ` <CAJD7tka13M-zVZTyQJYL1iUAYvuQ1fcHbCjcOBZcz6POYTV-4g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-23  7:33               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-23 14:55                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24  7:13                   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-24 18:15                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24 18:50                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25  7:05                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 15:14                           ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                             ` <CAJD7tkYPyb+2zOKqctQw-vhuwYRg85e6v2Y44xWJofHZ+F+YQw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-25 18:17                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:21                                 ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                                   ` <CAJD7tka=60_vPMY9Tg8tH+55g-feV1B24VNmDpp_3iMHqrUh7Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-25 18:43                                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                       ` <ZOj2NeU5yYhrTZPJ-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-25 18:44                                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 15:47                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 16:15                                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:00                                   ` Shakeel Butt
     [not found]                                     ` <CALvZod7uxDd3Lrd3VwTTC-SDvqhdj2Ly-dYVswO=TBM=XTnkcg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-28 17:07                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:27                                         ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:28                                           ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                                             ` <CAJD7tkZsGfYXkWM5aa67v3JytTO04LS7_x+ooMDK82cBZ-C8eQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-28 17:35                                               ` Waiman Long [this message]
     [not found]                                                 ` <307cbcf6-dca2-0b5d-93e8-11368a931d2f-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-28 17:43                                                   ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 18:35                                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                                           ` <599b167c-deaf-4b92-aa8b-5767b8608483-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-29  7:27                                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                               ` <ZO2d7dT8gulMyb8g-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-29 15:05                                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-29 15:17                                                   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                     ` <ZO4MBNzsbhsi7adb-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-29 16:04                                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                           ` <ZOhSyvDxAyYUJ45i-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-29 18:44                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                               ` <ZO48h7c9qwQxEPPA-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-29 19:13                                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 19:36                                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <ZO5IuULSCXMe9_pN-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-29 19:54                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                                         ` <CAJD7tkYtnhemCLBqFqOVurfWEaCjKtyEM745JYRxFS0r5cpZwQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-29 20:12                                           ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 20:20                                             ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                                               ` <CAJD7tkZn_7ppFB1B1V8tBEw12LXCnEOue2Beq6e19PkUAVHUSQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-31  9:05                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 13:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 15:43   ` Yosry Ahmed

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