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From: Vasily Averin <vvs-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov
	<vdavydov.dev-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa
	<penguin-kernel-1yMVhJb1mP/7nzcFbJAaVXf5DAMn2ifp@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	kernel-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH mm] vmalloc: back off when the current task is OOM-killed
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 12:36:15 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <508abe37-a044-7180-ac67-b4ce5e4cc149@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YU2EXP5wrSKv+b/8@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 9/24/21 10:55 AM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 23-09-21 09:49:57, Vasily Averin wrote:
> [...]
>> I'm agree that vmalloc callers should expect and handle single vnalloc failures.
>> I think it is acceptable to enable fatal_signal_pending check to quickly
>> detect such kind of iussues.
>> However fatal_signal_pending check can cause serial vmalloc failures
>> and I doubt it is acceptable. 
>>
>> Rollback after failed vmalloc can call new vmalloc calls that will be failed too, 
>> even properly handled such serial failures can cause troubles.
> 
> Could you be more specific? Also how would this be any different from
> similar failures for an oom victim? Except that the later is less likely
> so (as already mentioend) any potential bugs would be just lurking there
> for a longer time.
> 
>> Hypothetically, cancelled vmalloc called inside some filesystem's transaction
>> forces its rollback, that in own turn it can call own vmalloc.
> 
> Do you have any specific example?

No, it was pure hypothetical assumption.
I was thinking about it over the weekend, and decided that:
a) such kind of issue (i.e. vmalloc call in rollback after failed vmalloc)
   is very unlikely
b) if it still exists -- it must have own failback with kmalloc(NOFAIL) 
   or just accept/ignore such failure and should not lead to critical failures.
   If this still happen -- ihis is a bug, we should detect and fix it ASAP.

>> Should we perhaps interrupt the first vmalloc only?
> 
> This doesn't make much sense to me TBH. It doesn't address the very
> problem you are describing in the changelog.

Last question:
how do you think, should we perhaps, instead, detect such vmallocs 
(called in rollback after failed vmalloc) and generate a warnings,
to prevent such kind of problems in future?

Thank you,
	Vasily Averin

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-27  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-10 12:39 [PATCH memcg] memcg: prohibit unconditional exceeding the limit of dying tasks Vasily Averin
     [not found] ` <5b06a490-55bc-a6a0-6c85-690254f86fad-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-10 13:04   ` Tetsuo Handa
     [not found]     ` <099aa0db-045a-e5b8-6df7-b7c3fc4d3caa-1yMVhJb1mP/7nzcFbJAaVXf5DAMn2ifp@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-10 13:20       ` Vasily Averin
2021-09-10 14:55         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]           ` <YTtx3toUOMLXk4GZ-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-13  8:29             ` Vasily Averin
     [not found]               ` <9556c2ae-2dc8-9d0a-55de-002d674680bf-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-13  8:42                 ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                   ` <YT8PEBbYZhLixEJD-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-17  8:06                     ` [PATCH mm] vmalloc: back off when the current task is OOM-killed Vasily Averin
     [not found]                       ` <d07a5540-3e07-44ba-1e59-067500f024d9-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-19 23:31                         ` Andrew Morton
2021-09-20  1:22                           ` Tetsuo Handa
     [not found]                             ` <bb5616b0-faa6-e12a-102b-b9c402e27ec1-1yMVhJb1mP/7nzcFbJAaVXf5DAMn2ifp@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-20 10:59                               ` Vasily Averin
2021-09-21 18:55                                 ` Andrew Morton
2021-09-22  6:18                                   ` Vasily Averin
2021-09-22 12:27                         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                           ` <YUsg4j8gEt+WOCzi-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-23  6:49                             ` Vasily Averin
     [not found]                               ` <fa29c6f9-a53c-83bd-adcb-1e09d4387024-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-24  7:55                                 ` Michal Hocko
2021-09-27  9:36                                   ` Vasily Averin [this message]
     [not found]                                     ` <508abe37-a044-7180-ac67-b4ce5e4cc149-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-27 11:08                                       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                         ` <YVGmMSJ3NrQZjLP8-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2021-10-05 13:52                                           ` [PATCH mm v2] " Vasily Averin
     [not found]                                             ` <83efc664-3a65-2adb-d7c4-2885784cf109-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-10-05 14:00                                               ` Vasily Averin
2021-10-07 10:47                                               ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-07 19:55                                               ` Andrew Morton
2021-09-10 13:07   ` [PATCH memcg] memcg: prohibit unconditional exceeding the limit of dying tasks Vasily Averin
2021-09-13  7:51   ` Vasily Averin
     [not found]     ` <8b98d44a-aeb2-5f5f-2545-ac2bd0c7049b-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-13  8:39       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <YT8OTozT3FN9P2k7-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-13  9:37           ` Vasily Averin
     [not found]             ` <b4b1e66e-e6e6-84e9-46a1-060ed412dd56-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-13 10:10               ` Michal Hocko
2021-09-13  8:53 ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]   ` <YT8RjxShvfEVe4YU-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-13 10:35     ` Vasily Averin
     [not found]       ` <7af26106-388c-6f99-e018-669a8f0cf9b5-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-13 10:55         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]           ` <YT8uGUMQ7K+/0gyA-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-14 10:01             ` Vasily Averin
     [not found]               ` <bab6c1d2-38d8-9098-206f-54894f9871b6-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-14 10:10                 ` [PATCH memcg v2] " Vasily Averin
     [not found]                   ` <817a6ce2-4da9-72ac-c5b9-edd398d28a15-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-09-16 12:55                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                       ` <YUM+saaJEce0TJyF-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2021-10-05 13:52                         ` [PATCH memcg v3] " Vasily Averin
     [not found]                           ` <b89715b5-6df7-34a3-f7b9-efa8e0eefd3e-5HdwGun5lf+gSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2021-10-05 14:55                             ` Michal Hocko

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