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From: "Jan Kaluža" <jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman"
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 17:04:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52274BE0.7060501@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130904145830.GC28517-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>

On 09/04/2013 04:58 PM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 12:42:26AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Jan Kaluza <jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> this patchset against net-next (applies also to linux-next) adds 3 new types
>>> of "Socket"-level control message (SCM_AUDIT, SCM_PROCINFO and SCM_CGROUP).
>>>
>>> Server-like processes in many cases need credentials and other
>>> metadata of the peer, to decide if the calling process is allowed to
>>> request a specific action, or the server just wants to log away this
>>> type of information for auditing tasks.
>>>
>>> The current practice to retrieve such process metadata is to look that
>>> information up in procfs with the $PID received over SCM_CREDENTIALS.
>>> This is sufficient for long-running tasks, but introduces a race which
>>> cannot be worked around for short-living processes; the calling
>>> process and all the information in /proc/$PID/ is gone before the
>>> receiver of the socket message can look it up.
>>
>>> Changes introduced in this patchset can also increase performance
>>> of such server-like processes, because current way of opening and
>>> parsing /proc/$PID/* files is much more expensive than receiving these
>>> metadata using SCM.
>>
>> Can I just say ick, blech, barf, gag.
>
> /me hands ebiederman an air sickness bag.
>
>> You don't require this information to be passed.  You are asking people
>> to suport a lot of new code for the forseeable future.  The only advantage
>> appears to be for short lived racy processes that don't even bother to
>> make certain their message was acknowleged before exiting.
>>
>> You sent this during the merge window which is the time for code
>> integration and testing not new code.
>
> This is an RFC.  How is this important?
>
>> By my count you have overflowed cb in struct sk_buff and are stomping on
>> _skb_refdest.
>
> For patch1/3 I count 56/48, then for patch3 I get 48/48.  Jan, you might
> do the conversion to a pointer in patch1/3 to avoid bisect breakage.

Yes, this is valid point. I will do the conversion in patch1. Thanks all 
for reviewing and pointing that out.

Jan Kaluza

>> If you are going to go crazy and pass things is there a reason you do
>> not add a patch to pass the bsd SCM_CREDS?  That information seems more
>> relevant in a security context and for making security decisions than
>> about half the information you are passing.
>>
>> Eric
>
> - RGB
>
> --
> Richard Guy Briggs <rbriggs-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-04 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1377614400-27122-1-git-send-email-jkaluza@redhat.com>
     [not found] ` <1377614400-27122-1-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-29 14:13   ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Jan Kaluza
     [not found]     ` <1377785602-10766-1-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-29 14:13       ` [PATCH v2 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
2013-08-29 14:13       ` [PATCH v2 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2013-08-29 14:13       ` [PATCH v2 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
     [not found]         ` <1377785602-10766-4-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-02 17:17           ` Kay Sievers
2013-09-04  6:14   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Jan Kaluza
     [not found]     ` <1378275261-4553-1-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  6:14       ` [PATCH v3 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
     [not found]         ` <1378275261-4553-2-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  7:22           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <87bo49gifv.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04  9:07               ` Jan Kaluža
2013-09-04  6:14       ` [PATCH v3 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
2013-09-04  7:42       ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <878uzdf2xp.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04 14:45           ` Tejun Heo
2013-09-04 14:58           ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]             ` <20130904145830.GC28517-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04 15:04               ` Jan Kaluža [this message]
2013-09-04 15:20               ` Richard Guy Briggs
     [not found]                 ` <20130904152022.GD28517-bcJWsdo4jJjeVoXN4CMphl7TgLCtbB0G@public.gmane.org>
2013-09-04 15:30                   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-04 15:40                     ` Jan Kaluža
2013-09-04  6:14     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
2014-01-13  8:01   ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Jan Kaluza
     [not found]     ` <1389600109-30739-1-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-13  8:01       ` [PATCH v4 1/3] Send loginuid and sessionid in SCM_AUDIT Jan Kaluza
     [not found]         ` <1389600109-30739-2-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-15  4:02           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-01-13  8:01       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] Send comm and cmdline in SCM_PROCINFO Jan Kaluza
     [not found]         ` <1389600109-30739-3-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-15  4:03           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2014-01-13  8:01       ` [PATCH v4 3/3] Send cgroup_path in SCM_CGROUP Jan Kaluza
     [not found]         ` <1389600109-30739-4-git-send-email-jkaluza-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-13 16:52           ` Tejun Heo
2014-01-13 16:55       ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Send audit/procinfo/cgroup data in socket-level control message Tejun Heo
2014-01-15 20:17       ` David Miller
     [not found]         ` <20140115.121730.1984913330507219167.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-15 23:21           ` Eric Paris
     [not found]             ` <1389828103.681.34.camel-OjZBOOqb7SR7cYLChsl7DafLeoKvNuZc@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-15 23:23               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20140115232345.GA22237-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16  9:29                   ` Jan Kaluža
     [not found]                     ` <52D7A68F.5030700-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-23 19:31                       ` Kay Sievers
2014-01-13 19:44     ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]       ` <52D44206.2000906-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-14  8:25         ` Jan Kaluža

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