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From: Jens Axboe <axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Paolo Valente
	<paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Fabio Checconi
	<fchecconi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Arianna Avanzini
	<avanzini.arianna-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Paolo Valente <posta_paolo-whZMOeQn8C0@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:46:36 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <538CB87C.7030600@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140602174250.GC8912-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>

On 06/02/2014 11:42 AM, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Jens.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:32:05AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> For things like blkcg, I agree, it should be able to be common code and
>> reusable. But there's a need for scheduling beyond that, for people that
>> don't use control groups (ie most...). And it'd be hard to retrofit cfq
>> into blk-mq, without rewriting it. I don't believe we need anything this
>> fancy for blk-mq, hopefully. At least having simple deadline scheduling
>> would be Good Enough for the foreseeable future.
> 
> Heh, looks like we're miscommunicating.  I don't think anything with
> the level of complexity of cfq is realistic for high-iops devices.  It
> has already become a liability for SATA ssds after all.  My suggestion
> is that as hierarchical scheduling tends to be logical extension of
> flat scheduling, it probably would make sense to implement both
> scheduling logics in the same framework as in the cpu scheduler or (to
> a lesser extent) cfq.  So, a new blk-mq scheduler which can work in
> hierarchical mode if blkcg is in active use.

But blk-mq will potentially drive anything, so it might not be out of
the question with a more expensive scheduling variant, if it makes any
sense to do of course. At least until there's no more rotating stuff out
there :-). But it's not a priority at all to me yet. As long as we have
coexisting IO paths, it'd be trivial to select the needed one based on
the device characteristics.

> One part I was wondering about is whether we'd need to continue the
> modular multiple implementation mechanism.  For rotating disks, for
> various reasons including some historical ones, we ended up with
> multiple ioscheds and somewhat uglily layered blkcg implementations.
> Given that the expected characteristics of blk-mq devices are more
> consistent, it could be reasonable to stick with single iops and/or
> bandwidth scheme.

I hope not to do that. I just want something sane and simple (like a
deadline scheduler), nothing more.

-- 
Jens Axboe

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-02 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-27 12:42 [PATCH RFC RESEND 00/14] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler paolo
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2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 01/14] block: kconfig update and build bits for BFQ paolo
     [not found]     ` <1401194558-5283-2-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-28 22:19       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20140528221929.GG1419-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29  9:05           ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler Paolo Valente
     [not found]             ` <1401354343-5527-1-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 01/12] block: introduce the BFQ-v0 I/O scheduler Paolo Valente
     [not found]                 ` <1401354343-5527-2-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 15:36                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 02/12] block, bfq: add full hierarchical scheduling and cgroups support Paolo Valente
     [not found]                 ` <1401354343-5527-3-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 15:37                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20140530153718.GB24871-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 15:39                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20140530153943.GC24871-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 21:49                           ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 21:49                       ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 03/12] block, bfq: improve throughput boosting Paolo Valente
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 04/12] block, bfq: modify the peak-rate estimator Paolo Valente
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 05/12] block, bfq: add more fairness to boost throughput and reduce latency Paolo Valente
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 07/12] block, bfq: reduce I/O latency for soft real-time applications Paolo Valente
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 08/12] block, bfq: preserve a low latency also with NCQ-capable drives Paolo Valente
     [not found]                 ` <1401354343-5527-9-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-31 13:48                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20140531134823.GB24557-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02  9:58                       ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 10/12] block, bfq: add Early Queue Merge (EQM) Paolo Valente
     [not found]                 ` <1401354343-5527-11-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-01  0:03                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20140601000331.GA29085-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02  9:46                       ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                         ` <3B7B1A46-46EB-4C52-A52C-4F79C71D14C2-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-03 16:28                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                             ` <20140603162844.GD26210-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 11:47                               ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-04 13:04                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                   ` <20140604130446.GA5004-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-16 11:23                                     ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 11/12] block, bfq: boost the throughput on NCQ-capable flash-based devices Paolo Valente
     [not found]                 ` <1401354343-5527-12-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 15:46                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20140530154654.GE24871-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 22:01                       ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-31 11:52                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20140531115216.GB5057-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02  9:26                       ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                         ` <36BFDB73-AEC2-4B87-9FD6-205E9431E722-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-03 17:11                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                             ` <20140603171124.GE26210-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04  7:29                               ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                                 ` <03CDD106-DB18-4E8F-B3D6-2AAD45782A06-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 13:56                                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <20140604135627.GB5004-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-16 10:46                                       ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                                         ` <D163E069-ED77-4BF5-A488-9A90C41C60C1-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-19  1:14                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-29  9:05               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 12/12] block, bfq: boost the throughput with random I/O on NCQ-capable HDDs Paolo Valente
     [not found]                 ` <1401354343-5527-13-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 15:51                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-31 13:34                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 16:07               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20140530160712.GG24871-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 22:23                   ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                     ` <464F6CBE-A63E-46EF-A90D-BF8450430444-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 23:28                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20140530232804.GA5057-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 23:54                           ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-02 11:14                           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                             ` <20140602111432.GA3737-tWAi6jLit6GreWDznjuHag@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02 13:02                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20140602130226.GA14654-tWAi6jLit6GreWDznjuHag@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-03 16:54                                   ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                                     ` <FCFE0106-A4DD-4DEF-AAAE-040F3823A447-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-03 20:40                                       ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-04  8:39                                       ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-04  9:08                                       ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-04 10:03                                       ` BFQ speed tests [was Re: [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler] Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                         ` <20140604100358.GA4799-tWAi6jLit6GreWDznjuHag@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 10:24                                           ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                                             ` <4888F93F-D58D-48DD-81A6-A6D61C452D92-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 11:59                                               ` Takashi Iwai
     [not found]                                                 ` <s5hsink3mxk.wl%tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 12:12                                                   ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-11 20:45                                                   ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                                                     ` <6A4905B2-ACAA-419D-9C83-659BE9A5B20B-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-13 16:21                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2014-06-11 20:39                                           ` Paolo Valente
2014-06-02 17:33                               ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 00/12] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20140602173332.GB8912-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-03  4:12                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2014-06-04 22:31                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                     ` <20140604223152.GA7881-tWAi6jLit6GreWDznjuHag@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-05  2:14                                       ` Jens Axboe
2014-05-31  0:48                   ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                     ` <538926F6.7080409-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-31  5:16                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                         ` <20140531051635.GA19925-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02 14:29                           ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                             ` <538C8A47.1050502-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02 17:24                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                 ` <20140602172454.GA8912-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02 17:32                                   ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                                     ` <538CB515.3090700-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02 17:42                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                         ` <20140602174250.GC8912-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02 17:46                                           ` Jens Axboe [this message]
     [not found]                                             ` <538CB87C.7030600-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02 18:51                                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                 ` <20140602185138.GD8912-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02 20:57                                                   ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                                                     ` <20140602205713.GB8357-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 14:31                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                         ` <20140604143136.GA1920-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 14:50                                                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                             ` <20140604145053.GE5004-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 14:53                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20140604145330.GA2955-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 14:58                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20140604145829.GF5004-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-04 17:51                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-06-17 15:55                               ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                                 ` <0A5218F8-0215-4B4F-959B-EE5AAEFC164A-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-19  1:46                                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <20140619014600.GA20100-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-19  1:49                                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-19  2:29                                       ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                                         ` <53A24B1C.1070004-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-23 13:53                                           ` Paolo Valente
     [not found]                                             ` <8F719638-0CD7-4BD2-8F4F-088913A0EE2D-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-23 19:20                                               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                 ` <20140623192022.GA19660-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-07-09 20:54                                                   ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-29  9:05             ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 06/12] block, bfq: improve responsiveness Paolo Valente
     [not found]               ` <1401354343-5527-7-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 15:41                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-29  9:05             ` [PATCH RFC - TAKE TWO - 09/12] block, bfq: reduce latency during request-pool saturation Paolo Valente
     [not found]               ` <1401354343-5527-10-git-send-email-paolo.valente-rcYM44yAMweonA0d6jMUrA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-31 13:54                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20140531135402.GC24557-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-02  9:54                     ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 02/14] block: introduce the BFQ-v0 I/O scheduler paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 03/14] block: add hierarchical-support option to kconfig paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 04/14] block, bfq: add full hierarchical scheduling and cgroups support paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 05/14] block, bfq: improve throughput boosting paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 06/14] block, bfq: modify the peak-rate estimator paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 07/14] block, bfq: add more fairness to boost throughput and reduce latency paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 08/14] block, bfq: improve responsiveness paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 09/14] block, bfq: reduce I/O latency for soft real-time applications paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 10/14] block, bfq: preserve a low latency also with NCQ-capable drives paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 11/14] block, bfq: reduce latency during request-pool saturation paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 13/14] block, bfq: boost the throughput on NCQ-capable flash-based devices paolo
2014-05-27 12:42   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 14/14] block, bfq: boost the throughput with random I/O on NCQ-capable HDDs paolo
2014-05-30 15:32   ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 00/14] New version of the BFQ I/O Scheduler Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20140530153228.GE16605-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 16:16       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20140530161650.GH24871-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 17:09           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20140530170958.GF16605-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 17:26               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20140530172609.GI24871-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 17:55                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                     ` <20140530175527.GH16605-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 17:59                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-30 23:33               ` Paolo Valente
2014-05-30 17:31   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20140530173146.GG16605-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-30 17:39       ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-27 12:42 ` [PATCH RFC RESEND 12/14] block, bfq: add Early Queue Merge (EQM) paolo

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