From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>, cgroups <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kernel-team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified hierarchy
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:47:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <562CB328.3090906@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151025104145.GE27558@thunk.org>
On 10/25/2015 11:41 AM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:33:32AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>>
>> Hm, that's weird - all our sched_*() system call APIs that set task scheduling
>> priorities are fundamentally per thread, not per process. Same goes for the old
>> sys_nice() interface. The scheduler has no real notion of 'process', and certainly
>> not at the system call level.
>>
>
> I suspect the main issue is that the games programmers were trying to
> access it via libc / pthreads, which hides a lot of the power
> available at the raw syscall level. This is probably more of a
> "tutorial needed for userspace programmers" issue, at a guess.
If this refers to the lack of exposure of thread IDs in glibc, we are
willing to change that on glibc side. The discussion has progressed to
the point where it is now about the question whether it should be part
of the GNU API (like sched_setaffinity), or live in glibc as a
Linux-specific extension (like sched_getcpu). More input is certainly
welcome.
Old concerns about support for n:m threading implementations in glibc
are no longer relevant because too much code using well-documented
interfaces would break.
Florian
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2015-08-03 22:41 [PATCHSET sched,cgroup] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified hierarchy Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 22:41 ` [PATCH 1/3] cgroup: define controller file conventions Tejun Heo
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2015-08-04 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2015-08-04 14:51 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 19:31 ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20150804193101.GI17598-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-05 0:39 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2015-08-05 7:47 ` Michal Hocko
2015-08-06 2:30 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
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2015-08-07 18:17 ` Michal Hocko
2015-08-17 22:04 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-08-17 21:34 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-08-04 8:48 ` [PATCH " Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-04 14:53 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 22:41 ` [PATCH 2/3] sched: Misc preps for cgroup unified hierarchy interface Tejun Heo
2015-08-03 22:41 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified hierarchy Tejun Heo
2015-08-04 9:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-04 15:10 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20150804151017.GD17598-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-05 9:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20150805091036.GT25159-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-05 14:31 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-17 20:35 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-18 4:03 ` Paul Turner
2015-08-18 20:31 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-18 23:39 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2015-08-19 16:23 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-19 3:23 ` Mike Galbraith
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2015-08-19 16:41 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-20 4:00 ` Mike Galbraith
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2015-08-20 7:52 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-20 8:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-08-21 19:26 ` Paul Turner
2015-08-22 18:29 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <20150822182916.GE20768-qYNAdHglDFBN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-24 15:47 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-08-24 17:04 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-24 19:18 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-08-24 20:00 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
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2015-08-24 20:25 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-24 21:00 ` Paul Turner
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2015-08-24 21:12 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-24 21:15 ` Paul Turner
2015-08-24 20:54 ` Paul Turner
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2015-08-24 21:02 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-24 21:10 ` Paul Turner
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2015-08-24 21:17 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-24 21:19 ` Paul Turner
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2015-08-24 21:40 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-24 22:03 ` Paul Turner
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2015-08-24 22:49 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-24 23:15 ` Paul Turner
2015-08-25 2:36 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
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2015-08-25 21:13 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-25 9:24 ` Ingo Molnar
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2015-08-25 10:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-08-25 19:18 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-24 20:52 ` Paul Turner
2015-08-24 21:36 ` Tejun Heo
2015-08-24 21:58 ` Paul Turner
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2015-08-24 22:19 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-08-24 23:06 ` Paul Turner
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2015-08-25 21:02 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-09-02 17:03 ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-09 12:49 ` Paul Turner
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2015-09-12 14:40 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-09-17 14:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2015-09-17 14:53 ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-17 15:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-17 15:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2015-09-17 15:52 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-09-17 15:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-17 23:29 ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-18 11:27 ` Paul Turner
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2015-10-01 18:46 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-10-23 22:21 ` Tejun Heo
2015-10-24 4:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-10-25 2:18 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-10-27 5:46 ` Tejun Heo
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2015-10-27 6:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-10-25 3:54 ` Linus Torvalds
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2015-10-25 9:33 ` Ingo Molnar
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2015-10-25 10:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-25 10:47 ` Florian Weimer [this message]
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2015-10-25 11:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-25 13:17 ` Florian Weimer
2015-10-25 13:40 ` Getrandom wrapper Theodore Ts'o
2015-10-26 13:32 ` Florian Weimer
2015-10-26 14:10 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched: Implement interface for cgroup unified hierarchy Peter Zijlstra
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2015-08-04 19:32 ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
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