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From: Topi Miettinen <toiwoton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] capabilities: audit capability use
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:52:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <687b82c6-0e66-0ff1-30f1-a1d60f40f624@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160712145936.GH3190-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>

On 07/12/16 14:59, Tejun Heo wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 07:47:44PM +0000, Topi Miettinen wrote:
>> It's really critical to be able to associate a task in the logs to
>> cgroups which were valid that time. Or can we infer somehow what cgroups
> 
> When is "that time"?  Without logging all operations, this is
> meaningless.
> 
>> a task was taking part, long time after task exit? Perhaps task cgroup
>> membership changes and changes in available cgroups should be logged too?
>>
>> Some kind of cgroup IDs could be logged instead of long paths. Then
>> these IDs should be reliably resolvable to paths offline somehow.
> 
> I don't think that's doable.  That pretty much requires the kernel to
> remember paths of all past cgroups.

That's a show stopper for audit approach for getting helpful information
for configuration. I'll try something different, probably cgroupstats.

-Topi

> 
>> How usual migrations between cgroups are? Why would a task ever move
>> from (say) systemd/system.slice/smartd.service to anywhere else?
> 
> In most cases, they won't move once set up initially but that's not
> the point of audit subsystem.  Logging this once one exit isn't gonna
> help anything for auditing the system.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-13  6:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-11 11:14 [PATCH] capabilities: audit capability use Topi Miettinen
     [not found] ` <1468235672-3745-1-git-send-email-toiwoton-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 15:25   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <20160711152543.GA17459-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 16:05       ` Topi Miettinen
     [not found]         ` <0355f70f-8356-f685-d37d-ba28668363a1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-11 19:28           ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-11 17:09   ` Tejun Heo
2016-07-11 19:47     ` Topi Miettinen
     [not found]       ` <683cdbb9-c414-07c7-16d3-41c4138ddf8d-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 14:59         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20160712145936.GH3190-piEFEHQLUPpN0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13  6:52             ` Topi Miettinen [this message]
2016-07-11 21:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <87vb0bbzyo.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12  8:54     ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-12 13:16       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-12 22:00         ` Paul Moore
     [not found]         ` <878tx79et8.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13  7:30           ` Topi Miettinen
2016-07-12 21:56 ` Paul Moore
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-07-03 15:08 [PATCH] capabilities: add capability cgroup controller Topi Miettinen
     [not found] ` <218f2bef-5e5e-89c4-154b-24dc49c82c31-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-03 16:13   ` [PATCH] capabilities: audit capability use kbuild test robot

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