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From: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>
To: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>
Cc: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, mhocko@kernel.org, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 16:01:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F9BDE357-C7DA-4860-A167-201B01A274FC@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMgjq7BAfh-op06++LEgXf4UM47Pp1=ER+1WvdOn3-6YYQHYmw@mail.gmail.com>



> On Apr 15, 2025, at 14:19, Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:46 AM Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This patchset is based on v6.15-rc2. It functions correctly only when
>> CONFIG_LRU_GEN (Multi-Gen LRU) is disabled. Several issues were encountered
>> during rebasing onto the latest code. For more details and assistance, refer
>> to the "Challenges" section. This is the reason for adding the RFC tag.
>> 
>> ## Introduction
>> 
>> This patchset is intended to transfer the LRU pages to the object cgroup
>> without holding a reference to the original memory cgroup in order to
>> address the issue of the dying memory cgroup. A consensus has already been
>> reached regarding this approach recently [1].
>> 
>> ## Background
>> 
>> The issue of a dying memory cgroup refers to a situation where a memory
>> cgroup is no longer being used by users, but memory (the metadata
>> associated with memory cgroups) remains allocated to it. This situation
>> may potentially result in memory leaks or inefficiencies in memory
>> reclamation and has persisted as an issue for several years. Any memory
>> allocation that endures longer than the lifespan (from the users'
>> perspective) of a memory cgroup can lead to the issue of dying memory
>> cgroup. We have exerted greater efforts to tackle this problem by
>> introducing the infrastructure of object cgroup [2].
>> 
>> Presently, numerous types of objects (slab objects, non-slab kernel
>> allocations, per-CPU objects) are charged to the object cgroup without
>> holding a reference to the original memory cgroup. The final allocations
>> for LRU pages (anonymous pages and file pages) are charged at allocation
>> time and continues to hold a reference to the original memory cgroup
>> until reclaimed.
>> 
>> File pages are more complex than anonymous pages as they can be shared
>> among different memory cgroups and may persist beyond the lifespan of
>> the memory cgroup. The long-term pinning of file pages to memory cgroups
>> is a widespread issue that causes recurring problems in practical
>> scenarios [3]. File pages remain unreclaimed for extended periods.
>> Additionally, they are accessed by successive instances (second, third,
>> fourth, etc.) of the same job, which is restarted into a new cgroup each
>> time. As a result, unreclaimable dying memory cgroups accumulate,
>> leading to memory wastage and significantly reducing the efficiency
>> of page reclamation.
>> 
>> ## Fundamentals
>> 
>> A folio will no longer pin its corresponding memory cgroup. It is necessary
>> to ensure that the memory cgroup or the lruvec associated with the memory
>> cgroup is not released when a user obtains a pointer to the memory cgroup
>> or lruvec returned by folio_memcg() or folio_lruvec(). Users are required
>> to hold the RCU read lock or acquire a reference to the memory cgroup
>> associated with the folio to prevent its release if they are not concerned
>> about the binding stability between the folio and its corresponding memory
>> cgroup. However, some users of folio_lruvec() (i.e., the lruvec lock)
>> desire a stable binding between the folio and its corresponding memory
>> cgroup. An approach is needed to ensure the stability of the binding while
>> the lruvec lock is held, and to detect the situation of holding the
>> incorrect lruvec lock when there is a race condition during memory cgroup
>> reparenting. The following four steps are taken to achieve these goals.
>> 
>> 1. The first step  to be taken is to identify all users of both functions
>>   (folio_memcg() and folio_lruvec()) who are not concerned about binding
>>   stability and implement appropriate measures (such as holding a RCU read
>>   lock or temporarily obtaining a reference to the memory cgroup for a
>>   brief period) to prevent the release of the memory cgroup.
>> 
>> 2. Secondly, the following refactoring of folio_lruvec_lock() demonstrates
>>   how to ensure the binding stability from the user's perspective of
>>   folio_lruvec().
>> 
>>   struct lruvec *folio_lruvec_lock(struct folio *folio)
>>   {
>>           struct lruvec *lruvec;
>> 
>>           rcu_read_lock();
>>   retry:
>>           lruvec = folio_lruvec(folio);
>>           spin_lock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
>>           if (unlikely(lruvec_memcg(lruvec) != folio_memcg(folio))) {
>>                   spin_unlock(&lruvec->lru_lock);
>>                   goto retry;
>>           }
>> 
>>           return lruvec;
>>   }
>> 
>>   From the perspective of memory cgroup removal, the entire reparenting
>>   process (altering the binding relationship between folio and its memory
>>   cgroup and moving the LRU lists to its parental memory cgroup) should be
>>   carried out under both the lruvec lock of the memory cgroup being removed
>>   and the lruvec lock of its parent.
>> 
>> 3. Thirdly, another lock that requires the same approach is the split-queue
>>   lock of THP.
>> 
>> 4. Finally, transfer the LRU pages to the object cgroup without holding a
>>   reference to the original memory cgroup.
>> 
> 
> Hi, Muchun, thanks for the patch.

Thanks for your reply and attention.

> 
>> ## Challenges
>> 
>> In a non-MGLRU scenario, each lruvec of every memory cgroup comprises four
>> LRU lists (i.e., two active lists for anonymous and file folios, and two
>> inactive lists for anonymous and file folios). Due to the symmetry of the
>> LRU lists, it is feasible to transfer the LRU lists from a memory cgroup
>> to its parent memory cgroup during the reparenting process.
> 
> Symmetry of LRU lists doesn't mean symmetry 'hotness', it's totally
> possible that a child's active LRU is colder and should be evicted
> first before the parent's inactive LRU (might even be a common
> scenario for certain workloads).

Yes.

> This only affects the performance not the correctness though, so not a
> big problem.
> 
> So will it be easier to just assume dying cgroup's folios are colder?
> Simply move them to parent's LRU tail is OK. This will make the logic
> appliable for both active/inactive LRU and MGLRU.

I think you mean moving all child LRU list to the parent memcg's inactive
list. It works well for your case. But sometimes, due to shared page cache
pages, some pages in the child list may be accessed more frequently than
those in the parent's. Still, it's okay as they can be promoted quickly
later. So I am fine with this change.

> 
>> 
>> In a MGLRU scenario, each lruvec of every memory cgroup comprises at least
>> 2 (MIN_NR_GENS) generations and at most 4 (MAX_NR_GENS) generations.
>> 
>> 1. The first question is how to move the LRU lists from a memory cgroup to
>>   its parent memory cgroup during the reparenting process. This is due to
>>   the fact that the quantity of LRU lists (aka generations) may differ
>>   between a child memory cgroup and its parent memory cgroup.
>> 
>> 2. The second question is how to make the process of reparenting more
>>   efficient, since each folio charged to a memory cgroup stores its
>>   generation counter into its ->flags. And the generation counter may
>>   differ between a child memory cgroup and its parent memory cgroup because
>>   the values of ->min_seq and ->max_seq are not identical. Should those
>>   generation counters be updated correspondingly?
> 
> I think you do have to iterate through the folios to set or clear
> their generation flags if you want to put the folio in the right gen.
> 
> MGLRU does similar thing in inc_min_seq. MGLRU uses the gen flags to
> defer the actual LRU movement of folios, that's a very important
> optimization per my test.

I noticed that, which is why I asked the second question. It's
inefficient when dealing with numerous pages related to a memory
cgroup.

> 
>> 
>> I am uncertain about how to handle them appropriately as I am not an
>> expert at MGLRU. I would appreciate it if you could offer some suggestions.
>> Moreover, if you are willing to directly provide your patches, I would be
>> glad to incorporate them into this patchset.
> 
> If we just follow the above idea (move them to parent's tail), we can
> just keep the folio's tier info untouched here.
> 
> For mapped file folios, they will still be promoted upon eviction if
> their access bit are set (rmap walk), and MGLRU's table walker might
> just promote them just fine.
> 
> For unmapped file folios, if we just keep their tier info and add
> child's MGLRU tier PID counter back to the parent. Workingset
> protection of MGLRU should still work just fine.
> 
>> 
>> ## Compositions
>> 
>> Patches 1-8 involve code refactoring and cleanup with the aim of
>> facilitating the transfer LRU folios to object cgroup infrastructures.
>> 
>> Patches 9-10 aim to allocate the object cgroup for non-kmem scenarios,
>> enabling the ability that LRU folios could be charged to it and aligning
>> the behavior of object-cgroup-related APIs with that of the memory cgroup.
>> 
>> Patches 11-19 aim to prevent memory cgroup returned by folio_memcg() from
>> being released.
>> 
>> Patches 20-23 aim to prevent lruvec returned by folio_lruvec() from being
>> released.
>> 
>> Patches 24-25 implement the core mechanism to guarantee binding stability
>> between the folio and its corresponding memory cgroup while holding lruvec
>> lock or split-queue lock of THP.
>> 
>> Patches 26-27 are intended to transfer the LRU pages to the object cgroup
>> without holding a reference to the original memory cgroup in order to
>> address the issue of the dying memory cgroup.
>> 
>> Patch 28 aims to add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to LRU maintenance helpers to
>> ensure correct folio operations in the future.
>> 
>> ## Effect
>> 
>> Finally, it can be observed that the quantity of dying memory cgroups will
>> not experience a significant increase if the following test script is
>> executed to reproduce the issue.
>> 
>> ```bash
>> #!/bin/bash
>> 
>> # Create a temporary file 'temp' filled with zero bytes
>> dd if=/dev/zero of=temp bs=4096 count=1
>> 
>> # Display memory-cgroup info from /proc/cgroups
>> cat /proc/cgroups | grep memory
>> 
>> for i in {0..2000}
>> do
>>    mkdir /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/test$i
>>    echo $$ > /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/test$i/cgroup.procs
>> 
>>    # Append 'temp' file content to 'log'
>>    cat temp >> log
>> 
>>    echo $$ > /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/cgroup.procs
>> 
>>    # Potentially create a dying memory cgroup
>>    rmdir /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/test$i
>> done
>> 
>> # Display memory-cgroup info after test
>> cat /proc/cgroups | grep memory
>> 
>> rm -f temp log
>> ```
>> 
>> ## References
>> 
>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/Z6OkXXYDorPrBvEQ@hm-sls2/
>> [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/895431/
>> [3] https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/36827
> 
> How much overhead will it be? Objcj has some extra overhead, and we
> have some extra convention for retrieving memcg of a folio now, not
> sure if this will have an observable slow down.

I don't think there'll be an observable slowdown. I think objcg is
more effective for slab objects as they're more sensitive than user
pages. If it's acceptable for slab objects, it should be acceptable
for user pages too.

> 
> I'm still thinking if it be more feasible to just migrate (NOT that
> Cgroup V1 migrate, just set the folio's memcg to parent for dying
> cgroup and update the memcg charge) and iterate the folios on
> reparenting in a worker or something like that. There is already
> things like destruction workqueue and offline waitqueue. That way
> folios will still just point to a memcg, and seems would avoid a lot
> of complexity.

I didn't adopt this approach for two reasons then:

  1) It's inefficient to change `->memcg_data` to the parent when
     iterating through all pages associated with a memory cgroup.

  2) During iteration, we might come across pages isolated by other
     users. These pages aren't in any LRU list and will thus miss
     being reparented to the parent memory cgroup.

Muchun,
Thanks.

> 
> 
>> 
>> Muchun Song (28):
>>  mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup
>>  mm: memcontrol: use folio_memcg_charged() to avoid potential rcu lock
>>    holding
>>  mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault()
>>  mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants
>>  mm: thp: replace folio_memcg() with folio_memcg_charged()
>>  mm: thp: introduce folio_split_queue_lock and its variants
>>  mm: thp: use folio_batch to handle THP splitting in
>>    deferred_split_scan()
>>  mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru()
>>  mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case
>>  mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup
>>  mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in
>>    get_mem_cgroup_from_folio()
>>  buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers()
>>  writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module
>>  mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in
>>    count_memcg_folio_events()
>>  mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module
>>  mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping()
>>  mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru
>>  mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in
>>    mem_cgroup_swap_full()
>>  mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction()
>>  mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault()
>>  mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin()
>>  mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in swap module
>>  mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation()
>>  mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for lruvec lock
>>  mm: thp: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for split queue lock
>>  mm: memcontrol: introduce memcg_reparent_ops
>>  mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU
>>    folios
>>  mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers
>> 
>> fs/buffer.c                      |   4 +-
>> fs/fs-writeback.c                |  22 +-
>> include/linux/memcontrol.h       | 190 ++++++------
>> include/linux/mm_inline.h        |   6 +
>> include/trace/events/writeback.h |   3 +
>> mm/compaction.c                  |  43 ++-
>> mm/huge_memory.c                 | 218 +++++++++-----
>> mm/memcontrol-v1.c               |  15 +-
>> mm/memcontrol.c                  | 476 +++++++++++++++++++------------
>> mm/migrate.c                     |   2 +
>> mm/mlock.c                       |   2 +-
>> mm/page_io.c                     |   8 +-
>> mm/percpu.c                      |   2 +-
>> mm/shrinker.c                    |   6 +-
>> mm/swap.c                        |  22 +-
>> mm/vmscan.c                      |  73 ++---
>> mm/workingset.c                  |  26 +-
>> mm/zswap.c                       |   2 +
>> 18 files changed, 696 insertions(+), 424 deletions(-)
>> 
>> --
>> 2.20.1



  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-15  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-15  2:45 [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 01/28] mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:35   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 02/28] mm: memcontrol: use folio_memcg_charged() to avoid potential rcu lock holding Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:48   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-18  2:38     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 03/28] mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:52   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 04/28] mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:53   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 05/28] mm: thp: replace folio_memcg() with folio_memcg_charged() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:54   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 06/28] mm: thp: introduce folio_split_queue_lock and its variants Muchun Song
2025-04-17 14:58   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-18 19:50   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-19 14:20     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 07/28] mm: thp: use folio_batch to handle THP splitting in deferred_split_scan() Muchun Song
2025-04-30 14:37   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-05-06  6:44     ` Hugh Dickins
2025-05-06 21:44       ` Hugh Dickins
2025-05-07  3:30         ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 08/28] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Muchun Song
2025-04-30 14:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 09/28] mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 10/28] mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup Muchun Song
2025-06-28  3:09   ` Chen Ridong
2025-06-30  7:16     ` Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 11/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 12/28] buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 13/28] writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 14/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in count_memcg_folio_events() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 15/28] mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 16/28] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 17/28] mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 18/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in mem_cgroup_swap_full() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 19/28] mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 20/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 21/28] mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin() Muchun Song
2025-04-17 17:39   ` Nhat Pham
2025-04-18  2:36   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 22/28] mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in swap module Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 23/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation() Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 24/28] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for lruvec lock Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 25/28] mm: thp: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for split queue lock Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 26/28] mm: memcontrol: introduce memcg_reparent_ops Muchun Song
2025-06-30 12:47   ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-01 22:12     ` Harry Yoo
2025-07-07  9:29       ` [External] " Muchun Song
2025-07-09  0:14         ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 27/28] mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU folios Muchun Song
2025-05-20 11:27   ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-22  2:31     ` Muchun Song
2025-05-23  1:24       ` Harry Yoo
2025-04-15  2:45 ` [PATCH RFC 28/28] mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers Muchun Song
2025-04-15  2:53 ` [PATCH RFC 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Muchun Song
2025-04-15  6:19 ` Kairui Song
2025-04-15  8:01   ` Muchun Song [this message]
2025-04-17 18:22     ` Kairui Song
2025-04-17 19:04       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-06-27  8:50         ` Chen Ridong
2025-04-17 21:45       ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-28  3:43         ` Kairui Song
2025-06-27  9:02           ` Chen Ridong
2025-06-27 18:54             ` Kairui Song
2025-06-27 19:14               ` Shakeel Butt
2025-06-28  9:21                 ` Chen Ridong
2025-04-22 14:20       ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-05-23  1:23 ` Harry Yoo
2025-05-23  2:39   ` Muchun Song

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