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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Waiman Long <longman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Vladimir Davydov
	<vdavydov.dev-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] mm/memcg: Allow the task_obj optimization only on non-PREEMPTIBLE kernels.
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2022 15:44:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YdML2zaU17clEZgt@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6bb93c8-3940-6141-d0e0-50144549a4f5-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On 2021-12-23 16:48:41 [-0500], Waiman Long wrote:
> On 12/22/21 06:41, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > Based on my understanding the optimisation with task_obj for in_task()
> > mask sense on non-PREEMPTIBLE kernels because preempt_disable()/enable()
> > is optimized away. This could be then restricted to !CONFIG_PREEMPTION kernel
> > instead to only PREEMPT_RT.
> > With CONFIG_PREEMPT_DYNAMIC a non-PREEMPTIBLE kernel can also be
> > configured but these kernels always have preempt_disable()/enable()
> > present so it probably makes no sense here for the optimisation.
> > 
> > Restrict the optimisation to !CONFIG_PREEMPTION kernels.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
> 
> If PREEMPT_DYNAMIC is selected, PREEMPTION will also be set. My
> understanding is that some distros are going to use PREEMPT_DYNAMIC, but
> default to PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY. So I don't believe it is a good idea to
> disable the optimization based on PREEMPTION alone.

So there is a benefit to this even if preempt_disable() is not optimized
away? My understanding was that this depends on preempt_disable() being
optimized away.
Is there something you recommend as a benchmark where I could get some
numbers?

> Regards,
> Longman

Sebastian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-03 14:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-22 11:41 [RFC PATCH 0/3] mm/memcg: Address PREEMPT_RT problems instead of disabling it Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found] ` <20211222114111.2206248-1-bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2021-12-22 11:41   ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] mm/memcg: Protect per-CPU counter by disabling preemption on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]     ` <20211222114111.2206248-2-bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2021-12-23  2:31       ` Waiman Long
     [not found]         ` <bdfc9791-4af2-f4fb-9ef5-dab1e2e3ff89-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2021-12-23  7:34           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]             ` <YcQme8BPFl7P9T02-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2021-12-23 16:01               ` Waiman Long
2022-01-05 14:16       ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]         ` <20220105141653.GA6464-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-13 13:08           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]             ` <YeAkOm0YsAe5jFRb-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-13 14:48               ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]                 ` <20220113144803.GB28468-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-14  9:09                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]                     ` <YeE9zyUokSY9L2ZI-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-18 18:26                       ` [PATCH] mm/memcg: Do not check v1 event counter when not needed Michal Koutný
     [not found]                         ` <20220118182600.15007-1-mkoutny-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-18 19:57                           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2021-12-22 11:41   ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] mm/memcg: Add a local_lock_t for IRQ and TASK object Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]     ` <20211222114111.2206248-3-bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2021-12-23 21:38       ` Waiman Long
     [not found]         ` <4fe30c89-df34-bbdb-a9a1-5519e0363cc5-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-03 16:34           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]             ` <YdMlrFPvb94rzv8Z-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-03 17:09               ` Waiman Long
2021-12-22 11:41   ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] mm/memcg: Allow the task_obj optimization only on non-PREEMPTIBLE kernels Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]     ` <20211222114111.2206248-4-bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2021-12-23 21:48       ` Waiman Long
     [not found]         ` <f6bb93c8-3940-6141-d0e0-50144549a4f5-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-03 14:44           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
     [not found]             ` <YdML2zaU17clEZgt-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-03 15:04               ` Waiman Long
     [not found]                 ` <df637005-6c72-a1c6-c6b9-70f81f74884d-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-05 20:22                   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
     [not found]                     ` <YdX+INO9gQje6d0S-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-06  3:28                       ` Waiman Long
     [not found]                         ` <29457251-cf4f-4c7d-b36d-c2a0af4da707-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-13 15:26                           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2022-01-05 14:59   ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] mm/memcg: Address PREEMPT_RT problems instead of disabling it Michal Koutný
     [not found]     ` <20220105145956.GB6464-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-01-05 15:06       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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