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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>
Cc: "yukuai (C)" <yukuai3@huawei.com>,
	axboe@kernel.dk, ming.lei@redhat.com, geert@linux-m68k.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, yi.zhang@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH -next v3 2/2] blk-throttle: fix io hung due to configuration updates
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 06:20:36 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yoe/1BRYzSRI0JBd@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220520160305.GA17335@blackbody.suse.cz>

Hello,

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 06:03:05PM +0200, Michal Koutný wrote:
> > Then io hung can be triggered by always submmiting new configuration
> > before the throttled bio is dispatched.
> 
> How big is this a problem actually? Is it only shooting oneself in the leg
> or can there be a user who's privileged enough to modify throttling
> configuration yet not privileged enough to justify the hung's
> consequences (like some global FS locks).

So, the problem in itself is of the self-inflicted type and I'd prefer to
ignore it. Unfortunately, the kernel doesn't have the kind of isolation
where stalling out some aribtrary tasks is generally safe, especially not
blk-throtl as it doesn't handle bio_issue_as_root() and thus can have a
pretty severe priority inversions where IOs which can block system-wide
operations (e.g. memory reclaim) get trapped in a random cgroup.

Even ignoring that, the kernel in general assumes some forward progress from
everybody and when a part stalls it's relatively easy to spread to the rest
of the system, sometimes gradually, sometimes suddenly - e.g. if the stalled
IO was being performed while holding the mmap_sem, which isn't rare, then
anything which tries to read its proc cmdline will hang behind it.

So, we wanna avoid a situation where a non-priviledged user can cause
indefinite UNINTERRUPTIBLE sleeps to prevent local DoS attacks. I mean,
preventing local attacks is almost never fool proof but we don't want to
make it too easy at least.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-20 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-19  8:58 [PATCH -next v3 0/2] bugfix for blk-throttle Yu Kuai
2022-05-19  8:58 ` [PATCH -next v3 1/2] blk-throttle: fix that io throttle can only work for single bio Yu Kuai
2022-05-19 10:42   ` Ming Lei
     [not found] ` <20220519085811.879097-1-yukuai3-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-19  8:58   ` [PATCH -next v3 2/2] blk-throttle: fix io hung due to configuration updates Yu Kuai
2022-05-19  9:58     ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-19 12:14       ` yukuai (C)
     [not found]         ` <a8953189-af42-0225-3031-daf61347524a-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-19 16:10           ` Michal Koutný
     [not found]             ` <20220519161026.GG16096-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-20  1:22               ` yukuai (C)
     [not found]                 ` <73464ca6-9412-cc55-d9c0-f2e8a10f0607-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-20  1:36                   ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-20 16:03                     ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-20 16:20                       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2022-05-21  3:51                         ` yukuai (C)
     [not found]                           ` <97be6af0-ea94-f4ee-5ab2-02b6fc02cbff-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-21  5:00                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20220520160305.GA17335-9OudH3eul5jcvrawFnH+a6VXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2022-05-21  3:01                         ` yukuai (C)

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