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From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lstoakes@gmail.com>
Cc: "James Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	"Petr Tesařík" <petr@tesarici.cz>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, vbabka@suse.cz, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, mgorman@suse.de, dave@stgolabs.net,
	willy@infradead.org, liam.howlett@oracle.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	void@manifault.com, peterz@infradead.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	ldufour@linux.ibm.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	arnd@arndb.de, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org, peterx@redhat.com,
	david@redhat.com, axboe@kernel.dk, mcgrof@kernel.org,
	masahiroy@kernel.org, nathan@kernel.org, dennis@kernel.org,
	tj@kernel.org, muchun.song@linux.dev, rppt@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/40] Memory allocation profiling
Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 12:03:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZFKFv6F3pRtnAWSS@moria.home.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f57b77b0-74da-41a3-a3bc-969ded4e0410@lucifer.local>

On Wed, May 03, 2023 at 04:37:36PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> As an outside observer, I can assure you that absolutely came across as a
> personal attack, and the precise kind that puts people off from
> contributing. I should know as a hobbyist contributor myself.
> 
> > If I was mistaken I do apologize, but lately I've run across quite a lot
> > of people offering review feedback to patches I post that turn out to
> > have 0 or 10 patches in the kernel, and - to be blunt - a pattern of
> > offering feedback in strong language with a presumption of experience
> > that takes a lot to respond to adequately on a technical basis.
> >
> 
> I, who may very well not merit being considered a contributor of
> significant merit in your view, have had such 'drive-by' commentary on some
> of my patches by precisely this type of person, and at no time felt the
> need to question whether they were a true Scotsman or not. It's simply not
> productive.
> 
> > I don't think a suggestion to spend a bit more time reading code instead
> > of speculating is out of order! We could all, put more effort into how
> > we offer review feedback.
> 
> It's the means by which you say it that counts for everything. If you feel
> the technical comments might not be merited on a deeper level, perhaps ask
> a broader question, or even don't respond at all? There are other means
> available.
> 
> It's remarkable the impact comments like the one you made can have on
> contributors, certainly those of us who are not maintainers and are
> naturally plagued with imposter syndrome, so I would ask you on a human
> level to try to be a little more considerate.
> 
> By all means address technical issues as robustly as you feel appropriate,
> that is after all the purpose of code review, but just take a step back and
> perhaps find the 'cuddlier' side of yourself when not addressing technical
> things :)

Thanks for your reply, it's level headed and appreciated.

But I personally value directness, and I see quite a few people in this
thread going all out on the tone policing - but look, without the
directness the confusion (that Petr is not actually a new contributor)
never would've been cleared up.

Food for thought, perhaps?

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-03 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-01 16:54 [PATCH 00/40] Memory allocation profiling Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 01/40] lib/string_helpers: Drop space in string_get_size's output Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found]   ` <20230501165450.15352-2-surenb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-01 18:13     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2023-05-01 19:35       ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]       ` <ZFAUj+Q+hP7cWs4w@moria.home.lan>
2023-05-01 19:57         ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-05-01 21:16           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-01 21:33           ` Liam R. Howlett
2023-05-02  0:11             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-02  0:53           ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]         ` <ZFAUj+Q+hP7cWs4w-jC9Py7bek1znysI04z7BkA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-02  2:22           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]         ` <b6b472b65b76e95bb4c7fc7eac1ee296fdbb64fd.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
     [not found]           ` <b6b472b65b76e95bb4c7fc7eac1ee296fdbb64fd.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-02  3:17             ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]               ` <ZFCA2FF+9MI8LI5i-jC9Py7bek1znysI04z7BkA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-02  5:33                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-05-02  6:21                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-02 15:19                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-05-03  2:07                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-03  6:30                         ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-05-03  7:12                           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-03  9:12                             ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]                               ` <CAHp75Vd_VMOh1zxJvr0KqhxYBXAU1X+Ax7YA1sJ0G_abEpn-Dg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03  9:16                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-02 11:42               ` James Bottomley
2023-05-02 22:50                 ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-03  9:28                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-05-03  9:44                     ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]                   ` <20230502225016.GJ2155823-pA1nmv6sEBkOM8BvhN4Z8vybgvtCy99p@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 12:15                     ` James Bottomley
2023-05-02  7:55   ` Jani Nikula
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 04/40] nodemask: Split out include/linux/nodemask_types.h Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 05/40] prandom: Remove unused include Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 06/40] lib/string.c: strsep_no_empty() Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-02 12:37   ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 08/40] mm: introduce slabobj_ext to support slab object extensions Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 10/40] mm/slab: introduce SLAB_NO_OBJ_EXT to avoid obj_ext creation Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 11/40] mm: prevent slabobj_ext allocations for slabobj_ext and kmem_cache objects Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 12/40] slab: objext: introduce objext_flags as extension to page_memcg_data_flags Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 13/40] lib: code tagging framework Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 14/40] lib: code tagging module support Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 15/40] lib: prevent module unloading if memory is not freed Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 16/40] lib: code tagging query helper functions Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 17/40] lib: add allocation tagging support for memory allocation profiling Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 18/40] lib: introduce support for page allocation tagging Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 19/40] change alloc_pages name in dma_map_ops to avoid name conflicts Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-02 15:50   ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-02 18:38     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-02 20:09       ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-02 20:18         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-02 20:24         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-02 20:39           ` Petr Tesařík
     [not found]             ` <20230502223915.6b38f8c4-TD/jYOLh/Qr2G+KSGY6Hrl+YFMdMcpeZ@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-02 20:41               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found]   ` <20230501165450.15352-20-surenb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 16:25     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-05-03 18:03       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found] ` <20230501165450.15352-1-surenb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 02/40] scripts/kallysms: Always include __start and __stop symbols Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 03/40] fs: Convert alloc_inode_sb() to a macro Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-02 12:35     ` Petr Tesařík
     [not found]       ` <20230502143530.1586e287-TD/jYOLh/Qr2G+KSGY6Hrl+YFMdMcpeZ@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-02 19:57         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-02 20:20           ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 07/40] Lazy percpu counters Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 19:17     ` Randy Dunlap
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 09/40] mm: introduce __GFP_NO_OBJ_EXT flag to selectively prevent slabobj_ext creation Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found]     ` <20230501165450.15352-10-surenb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-02 12:50       ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-02 18:33         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 20/40] mm: enable page allocation tagging Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 21/40] mm/page_ext: enable early_page_ext when CONFIG_MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING_DEBUG=y Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 23/40] lib: add codetag reference into slabobj_ext Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 28/40] timekeeping: Fix a circular include dependency Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found]     ` <20230501165450.15352-29-surenb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-02 15:50       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 30/40] mm: percpu: Add codetag reference into pcpuobj_ext Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 32/40] arm64: Fix circular header dependency Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54   ` [PATCH 33/40] move stack capture functionality into a separate function for reuse Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 17:47   ` [PATCH 00/40] Memory allocation profiling Roman Gushchin
2023-05-01 18:08     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 18:14       ` Roman Gushchin
2023-05-01 19:37         ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]           ` <ZFAVFlrRtpVgxJ0q-jC9Py7bek1znysI04z7BkA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-01 21:18             ` Roman Gushchin
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 22/40] mm: create new codetag references during page splitting Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 24/40] mm/slab: add allocation accounting into slab allocation and free paths Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 25/40] mm/slab: enable slab allocation tagging for kmalloc and friends Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 26/40] mm/slub: Mark slab_free_freelist_hook() __always_inline Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 27/40] mempool: Hook up to memory allocation profiling Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 29/40] mm: percpu: Introduce pcpuobj_ext Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 31/40] mm: percpu: enable per-cpu allocation tagging Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 34/40] lib: code tagging context capture support Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03  7:35   ` Michal Hocko
2023-05-03 15:18     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03 15:26       ` Dave Hansen
2023-05-03 19:45         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found]       ` <CAJuCfpHrZ4kWYFPvA3W9J+CmNMuOtGa_ZMXE9fOmKsPQeNt2tg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-04  8:04         ` Michal Hocko
2023-05-04 14:31           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 35/40] lib: implement context capture support for tagged allocations Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03  7:39   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <ZFIPmnrSIdJ5yusM-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 15:24       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-04  8:09         ` Michal Hocko
2023-05-04 16:22           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-05  8:40             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]               ` <ZFTA8xVzxWc345Ug-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-05 18:10                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 36/40] lib: add memory allocations report in show_mem() Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 37/40] codetag: debug: skip objext checking when it's for objext itself Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 38/40] codetag: debug: mark codetags for reserved pages as empty Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 39/40] codetag: debug: introduce OBJEXTS_ALLOC_FAIL to mark failed slab_ext allocations Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-01 16:54 ` [PATCH 40/40] MAINTAINERS: Add entries for code tagging and memory allocation profiling Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03  7:25 ` [PATCH 00/40] Memory " Michal Hocko
2023-05-03  7:34   ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]     ` <ZFIOfb6/jHwLqg6M-jC9Py7bek1znysI04z7BkA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03  7:51       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <ZFISlX+mSx4QJDK6-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03  8:05           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-03 13:21             ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]             ` <ZFIVtB8JyKk0ddA5-jC9Py7bek1znysI04z7BkA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 16:35               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <ZFKNZZwC8EUbOLMv-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 17:42                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03 18:06                     ` Tejun Heo
2023-05-03 17:44                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-03 17:51                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-03 18:24                     ` Tejun Heo
2023-05-03 18:07                 ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                   ` <20230503180726.GA196054-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 18:19                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <ZFKlrP7nLn93iIRf-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 18:40                         ` Tejun Heo
2023-05-03 18:56                           ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]                             ` <ZFKubD/lq7oB4svV-jC9Py7bek1znysI04z7BkA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 18:58                               ` Tejun Heo
2023-05-03 19:09                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                   ` <ZFKxcfqkUQ60zBB_-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 19:41                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found]                                       ` <CAJuCfpEPkCJZO2svT-GfmpJ+V-jSLyFDKM_atnqPVRBKtzgtnQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 19:48                                         ` Tejun Heo
2023-05-03 20:00                                           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                             ` <ZFK9XMSzOBxIFOHm-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 20:14                                               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-04  2:25                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2023-05-04  3:33                                                   ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]                                                   ` <ZFMXmj9ZhSe5wyaS-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-04  3:33                                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-04  8:00                                                 ` Petr Tesařík
     [not found]                                           ` <ZFK6pwOelIlhV8Bm-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 20:08                                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03 20:11                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2023-05-04  2:16                                               ` Tejun Heo
2023-05-03 20:04                 ` Andrey Ryabinin
2023-05-03  9:50         ` Petr Tesařík
     [not found]           ` <20230503115051.30b8a97f-TD/jYOLh/Qr2G+KSGY6Hrl+YFMdMcpeZ@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03  9:54             ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]               ` <ZFIvY5p1UAXxHw9s-jC9Py7bek1znysI04z7BkA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 10:24                 ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-03  9:57           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-03 10:26             ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-03 15:30               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-03 12:33             ` James Bottomley
     [not found]               ` <25a1ea786712df5111d7d1db42490624ac63651e.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 14:31                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03 15:28               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-03 15:37                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-03 16:03                   ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2023-05-03 15:49                 ` James Bottomley
2023-05-03 15:09   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03 16:28     ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]       ` <20230503122839.0d9934c5-f9ZlEuEWxVcJvu8Pb33WZ0EMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-03 17:40         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03 18:03           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-05-03 18:07             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-05-03 18:12             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-04  9:07     ` Michal Hocko
2023-05-04 15:08       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
     [not found]         ` <CAJuCfpEkV_+pAjxyEpMqY+x7buZhSpj5qDF6KubsS=ObrQKUZg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-07 10:27           ` Michal Hocko
2023-05-07 17:01             ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]       ` <ZFN1yswCd9wRgYPR-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-07 17:20         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-07 20:55           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-05-07 21:53             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-07 22:09               ` Steven Rostedt
     [not found]                 ` <20230507180911.09d328c8-tvvo3QnZDcrq6bvjpv6Lkf3PFXHtQ0wO@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-07 22:17                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-08 15:52           ` Petr Tesařík
2023-05-08 15:57             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-08 16:09               ` Petr Tesařík
     [not found]                 ` <20230508180913.6a018b21-TD/jYOLh/Qr2G+KSGY6Hrl+YFMdMcpeZ@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-08 16:28                   ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]                     ` <ZFkjRBCExpXfI+O5-jC9Py7bek1znysI04z7BkA@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-08 18:59                       ` Petr Tesařík
     [not found]                         ` <20230508205939.0b5b485c-TD/jYOLh/Qr2G+KSGY6Hrl+YFMdMcpeZ@public.gmane.org>
2023-05-08 20:48                           ` Kent Overstreet

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