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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: allison.henderson@oracle.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, rds-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	guro@fb.com, kernel-team@fb.com, surenb@google.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org, mkoutny@suse.com,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, andrew@lunn.ch
Subject: Re: [rds-devel] [PATCH RFC v1] Feature reporting of RDS driver.
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2025 07:45:05 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFBYIdaq8NOk_v3U@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aEi8k1yKBn0egAui@char.us.oracle.com>

Hello,

On Tue, Jun 10, 2025 at 07:15:31PM -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
...
> > That said, the sysfs approach is pretty straightforward and has worked well
> > for us. One thing which we didn't do (yet) but maybe useful is defining some
> > conventions to tell whether a given feature or option should be enabled by
> > default so that most users don't have to know which features to use and
> > follow whatever the kernel release thinks is the best default combination.
> 
> I see. With that in mind, would it have helped if each feature had its
> own sysfs file with a tri-state or such?

I don't see why that wouldn't work but maybe a bit too elaborate?

> In regards to the existing 'feature' sysfs attribute:
> 
> How were you thinking to address API/ABI semantic breakage? Say older
> versions implemented a "foobar" feature but never kernels implement a
> much better way, but with a change the semantics (say require extra parameters,
> etc).  Would you expose both of them via the 'feature' sysfs attribute: "foobar\nfoobar_v2" ?
> 
> What would be then the path for removing the old one? Would you just
> drop "foobar" and only expose "foobar_v2" ?

I don't think there's one good answer but here's one:

- Each token in the files represents an optional feature.

- A feature preceded by + is expected to be enabled (or used) by default. A
  feature preced by - is expected to be not used.

- When introducing v2, make v2 +, the old one -.

- After users are reasoanbly migrated, start generating warning on v1 usages.

- Remove v1.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-16 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20250610191144.422161-1-konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
2025-06-10 20:47 ` [rds-devel] [PATCH RFC v1] Feature reporting of RDS driver Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2025-06-10 21:32   ` Tejun Heo
2025-06-10 23:15     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2025-06-16 17:45       ` Tejun Heo [this message]
     [not found] ` <20250610191144.422161-2-konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
2025-06-10 20:51   ` [PATCH RFC v1] rds: Expose feature parameters via sysfs and ELF note Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk

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