From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from gardel.0pointer.net (gardel.0pointer.net [85.214.157.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E45012FF69 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2026 16:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=85.214.157.71 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1786896670; cv=none; b=fgDYwaS213Rh2N4dNAku0KLzwQr5aqWZ8NHuuG5GR4hPjhcCxD0H1MYTTaokFiCnriiu187b9LyZ8p2OQP3+u0To1s81uHjsffrM8LB/ji0Vsc5GlnkUiynPpp2r67byj1aSu3DdsQ8JDJ83xC88YN1wDaBn4F2lUMsesiagjNg= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1786896670; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Ab89NK9oEEhWzKzs61CkpvdyHMiXlMx3PfUTYo1zYCQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=EtOPYabw1ky3s79Vmc/rd9U6dUBEAatwP55eGBxfHv87mFJ76XUX1/aYyZmWJpbmC9r3wcxSyfM0A8cM6PszaVC3ahtocHJPP23aYH3Ek6Ei3WluHp8atPxyS9sn616tbUkMtVn1djKZ5I0KmarL/ocNu6LLGtL5diyNhfQscuQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=poettering.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=poettering.net; arc=none smtp.client-ip=85.214.157.71 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=poettering.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=poettering.net Received: from gardel-login.0pointer.net (gardel-mail [85.214.157.71]) by gardel.0pointer.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EEBE80648; Sun, 16 Aug 2026 18:02:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gardel-login.0pointer.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 015CC160173; Sun, 16 Aug 2026 18:02:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2026 18:02:08 +0200 From: Lennart Poettering To: Demi Marie Obenour Cc: systemd development , Linux cgroups development , Alyssa Ross Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] Purpose of init.scope Message-ID: References: Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: cgroups@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Mi, 29.07.26 16:13, Demi Marie Obenour (demiobenour@gmail.com) wrote: > What is the purpose of having PID 1 in init.scope? Is it functionally > necessary, or is it solely for consistency with when systemd is > running in a container or as a user service manager? PID 1 needs to live somehwere, so that's where we put it. Where else would you put it? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering, Berlin