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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Runli <mingyu.he@shopee.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	littleswimmingwhale@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] memcg: keep propagating stats updates to ancestors
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 12:36:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqRXqcynCx88D2QK@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260911032905.63683-1-mingyu.he@shopee.com>

On Fri, Sep 11, 2026 at 11:29:05AM +0800, Runli wrote:
> memcg_rstat_updated() stops walking the ancestors when a memcg exceeds
> the flush threshold. A concurrent flush can leave an ancestor below the
> threshold, so the early exit prevents it from receiving further updates.
> 
> Consider root and leaf on a 4-CPU system, with a threshold of 256.
> CPU 0 is flushing another CPU's stats after CPU 1's stats have already
> been flushed. The counts below are shared stats_updates counters:
> 
>   CPU 0 (root flush)                CPU 1 (leaf updates)
>   ------------------               --------------------
>   clear leaf->stats_updates
>                                    add 64 to leaf and root
>   clear root->stats_updates
>   finish flush
>                                    leaf = 64, root = 0
>                                    4 more batches of 64:
>                                      leaf = 320, root = 256
>                                    next update:
>                                      leaf > threshold
>                                      break; root is not updated
> 
> Root remains at the threshold, which is insufficient to trigger a flush,
> while further leaf updates keep taking the early exit. The periodic
> forced flush restores progress, but until then the root's aggregated
> statistics can fall far behind. For example, page cache grows at rate of
> 1 GiB/s, a two-second wait can leave the reported usage about 2 GiB below
> the actual usage.
> 
> Skip only the flushable node and continue walking its ancestors, so each
> ancestor can accumulate updates until it exceeds the flush threshold.
> 
> Fixes: 60cada258dfe ("memcg: optimize memcg_rstat_updated")
> Signed-off-by: Runli <mingyu.he@shopee.com>
> ---
> Testing:
> Based on commit 893e11787f78, with and without this patch,
>   using 32 concurrent instances of:
>   netperf -H 127.0.0.1 -p 12875 -t TCP_STREAM -l 60 \
>           -T <client_cpu>,<server_cpu> -P 0 -v 0 -f m -- -m 1024
> 
> Both netperf and netserver ran in the same leaf memcg, directly below
> root (root -> leaf), with memory bound to NUMA node 0.
> Each kernel was tested for five 60-second runs after a 10-second warmup.
> 
> Median aggregate throughput decreased from 107.26 to 105.23 Gbit/s
> (1.9%) with this change.
> 
> I think fixing the correctness issue is worth the roughly 2% throughput
> cost.

Do you have any real world or production data to show that this is an issue? I
would not change anything unless there is real data. Also we have periodic flush
which will fix this (I have not looked deeper into this to see if this is a real
issue). In addition we have bpf interface for the stats for users who really
care about accuracy and efficiency.


      reply	other threads:[~2026-09-11 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 2+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-11  3:29 [PATCH] memcg: keep propagating stats updates to ancestors Runli
2026-09-11 19:36 ` Shakeel Butt [this message]

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