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From: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Zefan Li <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vasily Averin <vasily.averin@linux.dev>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/7] cgroup: rstat: only disable interrupts for the percpu lock
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 12:22:24 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f9b6410-ee17-635f-a35d-559fa0191dc3@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCSJDpPPOVvBYfOy@slm.duckdns.org>

Hi Tejun,

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023, Tejun Heo wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 04:23:13PM -0700, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > Tejun, if having the lock be non-irq is a non-starter for you, I can
> 
> This is an actual hazard. We see in prod these unprotected locks causing
> very big spikes in tail latencies and they can be tricky to root cause too
> and given the way rstat lock is used it's highly likely to be involved in
> those scenarios with the proposed change, so it's gonna be a nack from my
> end.

Butting in here, I'm fascinated.  This is certainly not my area, I know
nothing about rstat, but this is the first time I ever heard someone
arguing for more disabling of interrupts rather than less.

An interrupt coming in while holding a contended resource can certainly
add to latencies, that I accept of course.  But until now, I thought it
was agreed best practice to disable irqs only regretfully, when strictly
necessary.

If that has changed, I for one want to know about it.  How should we
now judge which spinlocks should disable interrupts and which should not?
Page table locks are currently my main interest - should those be changed?

Thanks,
Hugh

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-29 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-23  4:00 [RFC PATCH 0/7] Make rstat flushing IRQ and sleep friendly Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] memcg: do not disable interrupts when holding stats_flush_lock Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23  4:32   ` Shakeel Butt
     [not found]     ` <CALvZod5MnM8UJ0pj44QYb4sVwgFZ1B2KpSL6oqBQbJU3wH6eNA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23  5:16       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] cgroup: rstat: remove cgroup_rstat_flush_irqsafe() Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:43   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 15:45     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] memcg: sleep during flushing stats in safe contexts Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:56   ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 16:01     ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]       ` <CAJD7tkZ7Dz9myftc9bg7jhiaOYcn7qJ+V4sxZ_2kfnb+k=zhJQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 17:27         ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]           ` <20230323172732.GE739026-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 18:07             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 19:35               ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] vmscan: memcg: sleep when flushing stats during reclaim Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23  4:00 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] memcg: do not modify rstat tree for zero updates Yosry Ahmed
     [not found] ` <20230323040037.2389095-1-yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23  4:00   ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] cgroup: rstat: only disable interrupts for the percpu lock Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]     ` <20230323040037.2389095-2-yosryahmed-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23  4:29       ` Shakeel Butt
     [not found]         ` <CALvZod7e7dMmkhKtXPAxmXjXQoTyeBf3Bht8HJC8AtWW93As3g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23  5:15           ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]             ` <CAJD7tkbziGh+6hnMysHkoNr_HGBKU+s1rSGj=gZLki0ALT-jLg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23  6:33               ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 13:35                 ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                   ` <CAJD7tkY6Wf2OWja+f-JeFM5DdMCyLzbXxZ8KF0MjcYOKri-vtA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 15:40                     ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 15:42                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:46                         ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 16:09                           ` Shakeel Butt
     [not found]                             ` <CALvZod7-6F84POkNetA2XJB-24wms=5q_s495NEthO8b63rL4A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 16:17                               ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                                 ` <CAJD7tkbGCgk9VkGdec0=AdHErds4XQs1LzJMhqVryXdjY5PVAg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 16:29                                   ` Shakeel Butt
     [not found]                                     ` <CALvZod7saq910u4JxnuY4C7EwiK5vgNF=-Bv+236RprUOQdkjw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 16:36                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                                         ` <CAJD7tkb8oHoK5RW96tEXjY9iyJpMXfGAvnFw1rG-5Sr+Mpubdg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 16:45                                           ` Shakeel Butt
     [not found]                                             ` <CALvZod5USCtNtnPuYRbRv_psBCNytQWWQ592TFsJLfrLpyLJmw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 16:51                                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 19:09                                                 ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23 17:33                                 ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                                   ` <20230323173343.GF739026-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 18:09                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 18:19                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-24  1:39       ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-24  7:22         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-24 14:12           ` Waiman Long
2023-03-24 22:50             ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]           ` <CAJD7tkYNZeEytm_Px9_73Y-AYJfHAxaoTmmnO71HW5hd1B5tPg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-25  1:54             ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-25  2:17               ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]                 ` <CAJD7tkYhyMkD8SFf8b8L1W9QUrLOdw-HJ2NUbENjw5dgFnH3Aw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-25  4:30                   ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-25  4:37                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-25  4:46                       ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-27 23:23                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-29 18:53                           ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-29 19:22                             ` Hugh Dickins [this message]
     [not found]                               ` <f9b6410-ee17-635f-a35d-559fa0191dc3-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-29 20:00                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                   ` <ZCSY8l/jVwszF6iA-NiLfg/pYEd1N0TnZuCh8vA@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-29 20:38                                     ` Hugh Dickins
     [not found]                                       ` <98cb3ce-7ed9-3d17-9015-ef7193d6627-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-30  4:26                                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-31  1:51                                         ` Tejun Heo
2023-03-23  4:00   ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] workingset: memcg: sleep when flushing stats in workingset_refault() Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 15:50     ` Johannes Weiner
2023-03-23 16:02       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23 16:00     ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]       ` <20230323160030.GD739026-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2023-03-23 16:02         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-23  4:10   ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] Make rstat flushing IRQ and sleep friendly Shakeel Butt
2023-03-23  5:07     ` Yosry Ahmed

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