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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: cluster-devel.redhat.com
Subject: [Cluster-devel] Re: [PATCH 00/25] move handling of setuid/gid bits from VFS into individual setattr functions (RESEND)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:15:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070807171501.e31c4a97.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200708061354.l76Ds3mU002255@dantu.rdu.redhat.com>

On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:54:03 -0400
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com> wrote:

> Apologies for the resend, but the original sending had the date in the
> email header and it caused some of these to bounce...
> 
> ( Please consider trimming the Cc list if discussing some aspect of this
> that doesn't concern everyone.)
> 
> When an unprivileged process attempts to modify a file that has the
> setuid or setgid bits set, the VFS will attempt to clear these bits. The
> VFS will set the ATTR_KILL_SUID or ATTR_KILL_SGID bits in the ia_valid
> mask, and then call notify_change to clear these bits and set the mode
> accordingly.
> 
> With a networked filesystem (NFS in particular but most likely others),
> the client machine may not have credentials that allow for the clearing
> of these bits. In some situations, this can lead to file corruption, or
> to an operation failing outright because the setattr fails.
> 
> In this situation, we'd like to just leave the handling of this to
> the server and ignore these bits. The problem is that by the time
> nfs_setattr is called, the VFS has already reinterpreted the ATTR_KILL_*
> bits into a mode change. We can't fix this in the filesystems where
> this is a problem, as doing so would leave us having to second-guess
> what the VFS wants us to do. So we need to change it so that filesystems
> have more flexibility in how to interpret the ATTR_KILL_* bits.
> 
> The first patch in the following patchset moves this logic into a helper
> function, and then only calls this helper function for inodes that do
> not have a setattr operation defined. The subsequent patches fix up
> individual filesystem setattr functions to call this helper function.
> 
> The upshot of this is that with this change, filesystems that define
> a setattr inode operation are now responsible for handling the ATTR_KILL
> bits as well. They can trivially do so by calling the helper, but they
> must do so.
> 
> Some of the follow-on patches may not be strictly necessary, but I
> decided that it was better to take the conservative approach and call
> the helper when I wasn't sure. I've tried to CC the maintainers
> for the individual filesystems as well where I could find them,
> please let me know if there are others who should be informed.
> 
> Comments and suggestions appreciated...
> 

From a purely practical standpoint: it's a concern that all filesytems need
patching to continue to correctly function after this change.  There might
be filesystems which you missed, and there are out-of-tree filesystems
which won't be updated.

And I think the impact upon the out-of-tree filesystems would be fairly
severe: they quietly and subtly get their secutiry guarantees broken (I
think?)

Is there any way in which we can prevent these problems?  Say

- rename something so that unconverted filesystems will reliably fail to
  compile?

- leave existing filesystems alone, but add a new
  inode_operations.setattr_jeff, which the networked filesytems can
  implement, and teach core vfs to call setattr_jeff in preference to
  setattr?

Something else?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-08  0:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-06 13:54 [Cluster-devel] [PATCH 00/25] move handling of setuid/gid bits from VFS into individual setattr functions (RESEND) Jeff Layton
2007-08-07 20:49 ` [Cluster-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-07 22:13   ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-08  0:15 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-08-08  0:45   ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-08  0:54     ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-10 20:47     ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-11  2:57       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-13 12:01         ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-13 12:36           ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-08 12:54   ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-08 16:48     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708082204210.10387@fbirervta.pbzchgretzou.qr>
2007-08-09 11:55         ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [fuse-devel] " Jeff Layton

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