From: Tobias Deiminger <tobias.deiminger@posteo.de>
To: cocci@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [cocci] Can we match a known macro by macro name instead of expanded function name?
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2025 19:02:37 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <893abd46009f5e07e55f6b3f36645eda@posteo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e88c503c-b2a1-454b-a4a4-ae2dedd79daf@web.de>
Hi,
Am 30.11.2025 09:05 schrieb Markus Elfring:
>> What also works is to fake the return type to syscall_define_t in
>> standard.h,
>
> I became curious if such observations can be clarified further.
I observed this while looking for standard.h modifications that avoid
numbering 1..6 in the 12 macro variants, so that there can be 1 simple
common rule for all 12 variants.
From Julia's example I found by trial that macro name and first
parameter must have same name, otherwise it wouldn't work:
// standard.h, try either 1st or 2nd line
#define SYSCALL_DEFINE1(func, t1, a1) int func(int SYSCALL_DEFINE1, t1
a1) // works
#define SYSCALL_DEFINE1(func, t1, a1) int func(int SYSCALL_DEFINE, t1
a1) // doesn't work (rule adjusted, or course)
Can you explain why the 2nd doesn't work? Looks like if there was some
conventional relation between macro name and first parameter.
>> and then do 'type t =~ "syscall_define_t";' in the rule.
>
> I would like to point out that mentioned implementation details can be
> refined.
> I suggest to reconsider the need for the specification of an SmPL
> constraint
> as a regular expression just for the selection of a single identifier.
Indeed, thanks! Selecting a specific type in the semantic patch didn't
work on first try. Meanwhile I figured one needs to add a typedef to the
meta declaration - then it works and I can avoid the regex.
>> But as said, I'm not in a position to make such suggestions
>
> Please reconsider such a view once more.
So far I think Coccinelle is an amazing tool.
Macro handling maybe was a bit surprising, quoting Julia: "Coccinelle
expands macros when it has them available and when it is not able to
parse the code without doing the expansion". As a user I have to know if
a macro will be expanded or not, since match patterns have to look
different accordingly. But the exact conditions for expansion are not
too easy to anticipate.
>> and believe I understand how it's not well suited if the engine is
>> designed to match on the AST.
>
> The understanding is still improvable.
> Various development challenges are involved.
>
>
>> *) There's an ongoing effort to add testable code expectations /
>> requirements to important functions in the Linux kernel [1].
>
> Thanks for such background information.
>
> Linux Plumbers Conference
> Adding Testable Code Specifications in the Linux Kernel
> https://lpc.events/event/19/contributions/2085/
>
>
>> I'm involved, and one thing that IMO would help is if we could
>> quantify what "important" exactly means, i.e. how many functions are
>> to be documented (100? 10000? 1000000?), and where exactly are they.
>
> Software documentation is also a known challenging topic.
>
> Special constraints can become more interesting when even macro
> definitions
> need to be taken better into account.
>
>
>> Raw grep is obviously not well suited. Coccinelle is already used for
>> similar tasks, so it's an obvious candidate. tree-sitter queries could
>> also work.
>
> There are promising software tools available.
Probably :) Do you have other suggestions?
Tobias
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-30 19:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-29 10:38 [cocci] Can we match a known macro by macro name instead of expanded function name? Tobias Deiminger
2025-11-29 10:56 ` Julia Lawall
2025-11-29 13:15 ` Tobias Deiminger
2025-11-29 13:32 ` Markus Elfring
2025-11-29 13:51 ` Julia Lawall
2025-11-29 14:51 ` Markus Elfring
2025-11-29 15:00 ` Julia Lawall
2025-11-29 15:10 ` [cocci] Questionable macro expansions Markus Elfring
2025-11-29 15:55 ` [cocci] Can we match a known macro by macro name instead of expanded function name? Tobias Deiminger
2025-11-29 15:59 ` Julia Lawall
[not found] ` <67d1e00d2e22a4655cb10ec55d1a99db@posteo.de>
[not found] ` <83c8a7aa-9b98-8ac1-d563-e8fe2588f9a@inria.fr>
[not found] ` <fd7307f8024706d4bd128d0b7f43bb96@posteo.de>
2025-11-29 17:33 ` Tobias Deiminger
2025-11-29 17:38 ` Markus Elfring
2025-11-29 17:59 ` Julia Lawall
2025-11-29 18:28 ` Markus Elfring
2025-11-29 18:41 ` Julia Lawall
2025-11-29 19:00 ` Markus Elfring
2025-11-29 20:06 ` Tobias Deiminger
2025-11-29 20:10 ` Julia Lawall
2025-11-30 8:44 ` [cocci] Clarification for parsing capabilities? Markus Elfring
2025-11-30 8:05 ` [cocci] Can we match a known macro by macro name instead of expanded function name? Markus Elfring
2025-11-30 19:02 ` Tobias Deiminger [this message]
2025-12-01 8:32 ` Tobias Deiminger
2025-12-01 14:00 ` Markus Elfring
2025-12-01 9:42 ` Markus Elfring
2025-12-04 8:50 ` [cocci] Searching for system call implementations? Markus Elfring
2025-11-29 16:28 ` [cocci] Can we match a known macro by macro name instead of expanded function name? Markus Elfring
2025-12-02 9:45 ` [cocci] Searching for system call implementations with SmPL? Markus Elfring
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