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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker
	<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Lennart Poettering
	<lennart-mdGvqq1h2p+GdvJs77BJ7Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:33:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1330083196.11248.24.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120223213847.GK19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 16:38 -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> > > Again, it does not mean I am advocating flat hiearchy. I am just wondering
> > > in case of fully nested hierarchies (task at same level as groups), how
> > > does one explain it to a layman user who understands things in terms of
> > > % of resources. 
> > 
> > If your complete control is % based then I would assume its a % of a %.
> > Simple enough.
> 
> But % of % will vary dynamically and not be static. So if root has got
> 100% of resources and we want 25% of that for a group, then hierarchy
> might look as follows.
> 
>                                 root
>                                 / | \
>                                T1 T2 g1
> 
> T1, T2 are tasks and g1 is the group needing 25% of root's resources. Now
> number of tasks running in parallel to g1 will determine its effective %
> and tasks come and go. So the only way to do this would be that move T1
> and T2 in a child group under root and make sure new tasks don't show up
> in root. 

Which is exactly that the scheduler stuff does.. so tough luck for the
sysad who can't grasp it.

> Otherwise creating a group under root does not ensure that you get minimum
> % of resource. It just makes sure that you can't get more than 25% of
> % resources when things are tight. 

You never said anything about minimum resource guarantees in the initial
problem statement.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-24 11:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20120221211938.GE12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 21:21   ` [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 13:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 15:45   ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]     ` <20120222154501.GA1693-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 18:22       ` Tejun Heo
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     [not found]       ` <20120222182207.GC32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-27 17:46         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 16:38   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23  8:22   ` Li Zefan
2012-03-03  9:58   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <m162em2efy.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-03 14:26       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-05 11:37   ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:10   ` Tejun Heo
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     [not found]   ` <20120221212106.GF12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 13:34     ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-26  4:59     ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
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     [not found]     ` <4F44EEE4.2000809-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23  7:45       ` Serge E. Hallyn
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     [not found]       ` <20120223074526.GA15835-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 17:29         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20120223172915.GC22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 18:47             ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found] ` <1329917459.24994.14.camel@twins>
2012-02-22 13:37   ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 18:01   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:39   ` Li Zefan
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     [not found]   ` <20120222163858.GB4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 16:57     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 18:33     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:59     ` Li Zefan
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     [not found]     ` <20120222165714.GC4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 18:43       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  9:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 14:13         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 17:19           ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]             ` <4F4FAF89.3090706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 18:03               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:08                 ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                   ` <4F50AA22.9080007-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
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2012-03-02 11:28                     ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                       ` <4F50AEC3.5090807-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:34                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 20:26               ` Mike Galbraith
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2012-03-01 22:04                   ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                 ` <1330639448.7414.97.camel@marge.simpson.net>
     [not found]                   ` <1330639448.7414.97.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 22:38                     ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-02 10:51                     ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                       ` <4F50A63F.40306-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:52                         ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 12:43                     ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]                       ` <20120305124310.GD10929-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 15:47                         ` Mike Galbraith
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2012-03-05 19:58                           ` Mike Galbraith
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2012-03-01 21:02                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-02  2:43                 ` Kay Sievers
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2012-03-02 10:15                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:16                 ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                   ` <4F50ABF2.5070809-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:24                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 21:38         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]           ` <20120223213847.GK19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 22:34             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20120223223457.GJ22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:16                 ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                   ` <20120228211627.GH9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:21                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:35                       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                         ` <20120228213526.GI9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:43                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:54                             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                               ` <20120228215439.GJ9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 22:00                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:31                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:53                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:09                             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-24 11:33             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
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2012-02-23 19:41       ` Vivek Goyal
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2012-02-23 22:38           ` Tejun Heo
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     [not found]     ` <4F45F1F0.2010102-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 20:32       ` Vivek Goyal
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     [not found]   ` <4F45F742.1060605-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 17:33     ` Tejun Heo
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2012-03-12 22:28     ` Tejun Heo
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2012-03-12 23:00           ` Tejun Heo
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2012-03-12 23:02             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:09               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:43               ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]       ` <20120312222817.GI23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:31         ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:39           ` Tejun Heo
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     [not found]             ` <20120312223944.GJ23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:04                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120312230416.GM23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 14:10                     ` Vivek Goyal
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2012-03-13 16:30                           ` C Anthony Risinger
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2012-03-13 16:11                         ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 17:25                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:31                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 10:11                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 14:03         ` Vivek Goyal
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2012-03-13 15:59             ` Tejun Heo
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2012-03-16 23:14               ` James Bottomley
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2012-03-12 22:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:37     ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-13 13:49     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]       ` <20120313134922.GB29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:02         ` Tejun Heo
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2012-03-12 22:55     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:19 Tejun Heo

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