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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Stefan Berger
	<stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	casey-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>,
	lkp-JC7UmRfGjtg@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 16:03:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1500062619.3583.71.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1500058362.2853.28.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 11:52 -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 14:48 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > The concern is with a shared filesystems.  In that case, for IMA it
> > would make sense to support a native and a namespace xattr.  If due
> > to xattr space limitations we have to limit the number of xattrs,
> > then we should limit it to two - a native and a namespace version,
> > with a "uid=" tag - first namespace gets permission to write the
> > namespace xattr.  Again, like in the layered case, if the namespace
> > xattr doesn't exist, fall back to using the native xattr.
> 
> Just on this point: if we're really concerned about the need on shared
> filesystems to have multiple IMA signatures per file, might it not make
> sense simply to support multiple signatures within the security.ima
> xattr? The rules for writing signature updates within user namespaces
> would be somewhat complex (say only able to replace a signature for
> which you demonstrate you possess the key) but it would lead to an
> implementation which would work for traditional shared filesystems
> (like NFS) as well as containerised bind mounts.

Writing security.ima requires being root with CAP_SYS_ADMIN
privileges.  I wouldn't want to give root within the namespace
permission to over write or just extend the native security.ima.

Mimi

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2017-07-11 15:05 [PATCH v2] Enable namespaced file capabilities Stefan Berger
     [not found] ` <1499785511-17192-1-git-send-email-stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-11 15:05   ` [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger
     [not found]     ` <20170711171222.GB31603@mail.hallyn.com>
     [not found]       ` <20170711171222.GB31603-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-12  0:15         ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]       ` <ca6e0001-6aeb-74dc-ab91-44aed3b7d128@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]         ` <ca6e0001-6aeb-74dc-ab91-44aed3b7d128-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-12  0:47           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <1499785511-17192-2-git-send-email-stefanb-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-11 17:12       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-12  3:45       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-12  7:59       ` James Morris
2017-07-12 13:25       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-12 17:53       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20170712175357.GA32609-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-12 19:19           ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-14 23:41       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-17 18:58       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20170717185811.GC15794-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-17 20:50           ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]             ` <7a39e8a6-a33b-f6a8-3fd5-6211c075ab91-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 11:48               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20170718114849.GA8233@redhat.com>
     [not found]               ` <20170718114849.GA8233-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 12:05                 ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]               ` <55971eea-fde2-439a-2fe5-d0ae5e80bc22@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                 ` <55971eea-fde2-439a-2fe5-d0ae5e80bc22-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 12:30                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                 ` <20170718123009.GB8233@redhat.com>
     [not found]                   ` <20170718123009.GB8233-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 12:36                     ` Vivek Goyal
2017-07-18 13:21                     ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                   ` <20170718123603.GC8233@redhat.com>
     [not found]                     ` <20170718123603.GC8233-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 13:29                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <cc515ca0-c5fa-412f-3f57-a41178b060a9@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                     ` <cc515ca0-c5fa-412f-3f57-a41178b060a9-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 14:57                       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                     ` <20170718145716.GA25494@redhat.com>
     [not found]                       ` <20170718145716.GA25494-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 16:11                         ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-20  1:05       ` [lkp-robot] [xattr] 3f3bf5920d: ltp.userns06.fail kernel test robot
     [not found]     ` <20170712034503.GA8270@mail.hallyn.com>
     [not found]       ` <20170712034503.GA8270-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-12 11:35         ` [PATCH v2] xattr: Enable security.capability in user namespaces Stefan Berger
     [not found]       ` <8c3e8c6f-52c5-5b04-8cad-1aeae25f0ec6@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]         ` <8c3e8c6f-52c5-5b04-8cad-1aeae25f0ec6-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-12 17:32           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <87mv89iy7q.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]       ` <87mv89iy7q.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-12 17:03         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20170712170346.GA17974-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-12 22:20             ` James Morris
     [not found]               ` <alpine.LRH.2.20.1707130820050.16810-gx6/JNMH7DfYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13  0:33                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <87o9spfa5v.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]                 ` <87o9spfa5v.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13  1:01                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-12 23:13             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <877ezdgsey.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13  0:43                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-13  0:44                 ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                   ` <74664cc8-bc3e-75d6-5892-f8934404349f-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13  1:15                     ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                       ` <20170713011554.xwmrgkzfwnibvgcu-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13  2:34                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-13 12:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                       ` <87y3rscz9j.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]                         ` <87y3rscz9j.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 16:40                           ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                         ` <20170713164012.brj2flnkaaks2oci@thunk.org>
     [not found]                           ` <20170713164012.brj2flnkaaks2oci-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 17:05                             ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-13 17:14                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-13 21:13                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                           ` <87k23cb6os.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]                             ` <87k23cb6os.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 17:33                               ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                             ` <847ccb2a-30c0-a94c-df6f-091c8901eaa0@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                               ` <847ccb2a-30c0-a94c-df6f-091c8901eaa0-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 17:49                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <87bmoo8bxb.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 19:48                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-13 21:35                                     ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                       ` <9a3010e5-ca2b-5e7a-656b-fcc14f7bec4e-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14  0:38                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                       ` <87h8yf7szd.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <87h8yf7szd.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 11:32                                           ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                         ` <65dbe654-0d99-03fa-c838-5a726b462826@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                                           ` <65dbe654-0d99-03fa-c838-5a726b462826-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 12:04                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                               ` <87vamv2pj0.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 12:39                                                 ` Stefan Berger
2017-07-14 13:34                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                           ` <20170714133437.GA16737@mail.hallyn.com>
     [not found]                                             ` <20170714133437.GA16737-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 15:22                                               ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                             ` <596f808b-e21d-8296-5fef-23c1ce7ab778@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                                               ` <596f808b-e21d-8296-5fef-23c1ce7ab778-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 17:35                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-14 17:36                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                   ` <87pod22a4x.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 19:22                                                     ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                               ` <20170714173556.GA19669@mail.hallyn.com>
     [not found]                                                 ` <20170714173556.GA19669-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 18:17                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-14 18:48                                                   ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                                 ` <xagsmtp2.20170714182525.6604@vmsdvm4.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                                                   ` <xagsmtp2.20170714182525.6604-SsZeXQfhYdoOFdY8m0e24VaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 19:26                                                     ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                                   ` <1500060374.3583.57.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                                                     ` <1500060374.3583.57.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-15  0:02                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-26  3:00                                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                                         ` <20170726030007.GA10087-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-26 13:57                                                           ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                                     ` <xagsmtp3.20170715001054.9173@uk1vsc.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                                                       ` <xagsmtp3.20170715001054.9173-17CmTKLGOXFpnrxNGchxj0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-16 11:25                                                         ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                                 ` <1500058090.3583.28.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                                                   ` <1500058090.3583.28.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 18:52                                                     ` James Bottomley
2017-07-14 19:29                                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                                       ` <20170714192909.zoxnlm32nrxguqao-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 19:43                                                         ` Mimi Zohar
     [not found]                                                   ` <1500058362.2853.28.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
     [not found]                                                     ` <1500058362.2853.28.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 20:03                                                       ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
     [not found]                                                         ` <1500062619.3583.71.camel-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 20:39                                                           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                                         ` <1500064799.2853.36.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
     [not found]                                                           ` <1500064799.2853.36.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 21:34                                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-07-14 23:29                                                             ` Mimi Zohar
2017-07-14 23:53                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                           ` <20170714213449.gtxtkqtxifk5j4wp@thunk.org>
     [not found]                                                             ` <20170714213449.gtxtkqtxifk5j4wp-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-14 23:22                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <20170713194842.GB4895@mail.hallyn.com>
     [not found]                                     ` <20170713194842.GB4895-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 21:12                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-13 21:21                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                           ` <29fdda5e-ed4a-bcda-e3cc-c06ab87973ce@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                             ` <8760ew9qyp.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]                               ` <8760ew9qyp.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 19:14                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                   ` <20170713191429.vfaetqscxd7hniwq-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 19:41                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-07-13 21:17                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <29fdda5e-ed4a-bcda-e3cc-c06ab87973ce-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-13 17:39                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-07-18  7:01                               ` James Morris
     [not found]                                 ` <alpine.LRH.2.20.1707181659030.5209-gx6/JNMH7DfYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 12:12                                   ` Stefan Berger
     [not found]                                 ` <aae67245-4c9c-f79e-b821-40753e732f65@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]                                   ` <aae67245-4c9c-f79e-b821-40753e732f65-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 13:26                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                       ` <871spdj2pe.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-18 23:13                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <87d192si18.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]       ` <87d192si18.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-15 21:27         ` Stefan Berger

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