From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>, Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>,
Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, harald@redhat.com, david@fubar.dk,
greg@kroah.com, Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
Linux Containers <lxc-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr>,
Paul Menage <paul@paulmenage.org>
Subject: Re: Detecting if you are running in a container
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:57:02 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111012175702.GA23231@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m17h4bfcuv.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 02:16:24PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> It actually isn't much complexity and for the most part the code that
> I care about in that area is already merged. In principle all I care
> about are having the identiy checks go from:
> (uid1 == uid2) to ((user_ns1 == user_ns2) && (uid1 == uid2))
>
> There are some per subsystem sysctls that do make sense to make per
> subsystem and that work is mostly done. I expect there are a few
> more in the networking stack that interesting to make per network
> namespace.
>
> The only real world issue right now that I am aware of is the user
> namespace aren't quite ready for prime-time and so people run into
> issues where something like sysctl -a during bootup sets a bunch of
> sysctls and they change sysctls they didn't mean to. Once the
> user namespaces are in place accessing a truly global sysctl will
> result in EPERM when you are in a container and everyone will be
> happy. ;)
>
>
> Where all of this winds up interesting in the field of oncoming kernel
> work is that uids are persistent and are stored in file systems. So
> once we have all of the permission checks in the kernel tweaked to care
> about user namespaces we next look at the filesystems. The easy
> initial implementation is going to be just associating a user namespace
> with a super block. But farther out being able to store uids from
> different user namespaces on the same filesystem becomes an interesting
> problem.
Yipes. Why would anyone want to do that?
--b.
> We already have things like user mapping in 9p and nfsv4 so it isn't
> wholly uncharted territory. But it could get interesting. Just
> a heads up.
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Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2011-10-10 20:59 ` Detecting if you are running in a container Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-10 21:41 ` Lennart Poettering
2011-10-11 5:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 6:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-12 16:59 ` Kay Sievers
2011-11-01 22:05 ` [lxc-devel] " Michael Tokarev
2011-11-01 23:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-11-02 8:08 ` Michael Tokarev
2011-10-11 1:32 ` Ted Ts'o
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2011-10-11 3:25 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-11 6:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 12:53 ` Theodore Tso
2011-10-11 21:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 22:30 ` david
2011-10-12 4:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-12 5:10 ` david
2011-10-12 15:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-10-12 17:57 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2011-10-12 18:25 ` Kyle Moffett
2011-10-12 19:04 ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-10-12 19:12 ` Kyle Moffett
2011-10-14 15:54 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-14 18:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-14 21:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-16 9:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-30 20:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-11-01 13:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-10-11 22:25 ` david
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