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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Fix cap_capable to only allow owners in the parent user namespace to have caps.
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:15:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121214161514.GA9962@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bodwd4aw.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org):
> "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
> > Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org):
> >> "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >> 
> >> > Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org):
> >> >> 
> >> >> Andy Lutomirski pointed out that the current behavior of allowing the
> >> >> owner of a user namespace to have all caps when that owner is not in a
> >> >> parent user namespace is wrong.
> >> >
> >> > To make sure I understand right, the issue is when a uid is mapped
> >> > into multiple namespaces.
> >> 
> >> Yes.
> >> 
> >> i.e. uid 1000 in ns1 may own ns2, but uid 1000 in ns3 does not?
> >> 
> >> I am not certain of your example.
> >> 
> >> The simple case is:
> >> 
> >> init_user_ns:
> >>      child_user_ns1 (owned by uid == 0 [in all user namespaces])
> >>            child_user_ns2 (owned by uid == 0 [ in all user namespaces])
> >> 
> >> 
> >> root (uid == 0) in child_user_ns2 has all rights over anything in
> >> child_user_ns1.
> >
> > Well that is only if there was no mapping.  (since we're comparing
> > kuids, not uid_ts).  right?  If you didn't map uid 0 in child_user_ns2
> > to another id in the parent ns, you weren't all *that* serious about
> > isolating the ns.
> >
> > The case I was thinking is
> >
> >   init_user_ns:  [0-uidmax]
> >       child_user_ns1  [100000-199999]
> >       child_user_ns2  [100000-199999]
> >         child_user_ns3  [200000-299999]

Wait is my example above possible?  Or does child_user_ns3's range need
to be a subset of child_user_ns2's?

In which case it would be

       child_user_ns1  [100000-199999]
       child_user_ns2  [100000-199999]
         child_user_ns3  [120000-129999]

> > with unfortunate mappings  - ns1 and ns2 should have had nonoverlapping
> > ranges, but in any case now uid 1000 in ns1 can exert privilege over
> > ns3.  Again, uids comparisons will succeed for file access anyway, so
> > ns1 can 0wn ns2 and ns3 other ways.
> 
> Yes yours is the more realistic scenario.  Mine was simplified to be clear.
> 
> > Heck I'm starting to think the bug is a feature - surely given the
> > mappings above I meant for ns1 and ns2 to bleed privilege to each
> > other?
> 
> The serious problem is that privileges can bleed up. A user in 
> ns3 can wind up owning ns2 or ns1.  Which totally defeats the permission
> model.  You have CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE so you don't even need access to files
> you own, etc, etc.

Would that not require intervention from the init_user_ns?  In my
example above (let's add that ns2 is owned by kuid.uid=1000 in
init_user_ns), root in child_user_ns2 cannot map kuid.val=0 or
kuid.val=1000 into ns3 because 0 and 1000 are not in the range
100000-199999.  So there is no uid in child_user_ns3 which is able
to spoof uid=0 in child_user_ns1.

-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-12-14 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-11 21:17 [GIT PULL] user namespace and namespace infrastructure changes for 3.8 Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] ` <87ip88uw4n.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-13 19:24   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <50CA2B55.5070402-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-13 22:01       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <87mwxhtxve.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-13 22:39           ` [RFC][PATCH] Fix cap_capable to only allow owners in the parent user namespace to have caps Eric W. Biederman
2012-12-13 23:02           ` [GIT PULL] user namespace and namespace infrastructure changes for 3.8 Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <CALCETrWxXZ1OzZeH_SGeg1E16rssxBwg+hjG09N5dkqweVKeRA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14  4:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87mwxhff2e.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14  5:34                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                     ` <CALCETrXagfjy4o0_JCZpMfdocYK-MpOp3eH-tPZhgazvJAy-EQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14 17:48                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <87zk1hshk7.fsf_-_@xmission.com>
     [not found]           ` <CALCETrXLLcUu8Rajjx7+3N_6j5E0T0CR1h=hD+gcc5_r4Umyqw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <CALCETrXLLcUu8Rajjx7+3N_6j5E0T0CR1h=hD+gcc5_r4Umyqw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14  2:33               ` [RFC][PATCH] Fix cap_capable to only allow owners in the parent user namespace to have caps Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <876245jrbc.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]               ` <876245jrbc.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14  2:36                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]               ` <CALCETrXRYOh2tkwB+U9ZjA5BNZwscWsq1WGzjP3wUiOXQUXOQg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrXRYOh2tkwB+U9ZjA5BNZwscWsq1WGzjP3wUiOXQUXOQg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14  3:20                   ` [PATCH] " Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87zk1hshk7.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-13 22:43             ` [RFC][PATCH] " Linus Torvalds
     [not found]               ` <CA+55aFwXnFEFXbkwFPq9xt30xp2_6jfpBLd3E2bms79KKK=V1Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-13 22:55                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-12-13 23:21             ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-12-14  3:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20121214032820.GA5115@mail.hallyn.com>
     [not found]             ` <20121214032820.GA5115-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14  3:32               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87bodxi9zw.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14 15:26                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20121214152607.GA9266-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14 15:47                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <87bodwd4aw.fsf@xmission.com>
     [not found]                       ` <87bodwd4aw.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14 16:15                         ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
     [not found]                           ` <20121214161514.GA9962-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14 18:12                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                               ` <87r4ms5wpm.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14 18:43                                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                   ` <CA+55aFw5CMf0-o=yDt2Rj-SYH4pfW1L9QbNb6uKHEdzAyYcvGQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14 18:47                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2012-12-14 20:50                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-12-14 21:43                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-12-14 20:29                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                               ` <20121214202921.GA11450@mail.hallyn.com>
     [not found]                                 ` <20121214202921.GA11450-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-14 22:32                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                     ` <87bodww9hv.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-12-15  0:14                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn

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