From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1556FC00A89 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from silver.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EB9120724 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 4EB9120724 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=hallyn.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=containers-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by silver.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA1620420; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from silver.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id edl8762KwpM3; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.linuxfoundation.org (lf-lists.osuosl.org [140.211.9.56]) by silver.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CA92034B; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lf-lists.osuosl.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5864BC0859; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from silver.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7439C0051 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by silver.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF9E20420 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from silver.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dk5U4JHQR5sH for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail.hallyn.com (mail.hallyn.com [178.63.66.53]) by silver.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A8B92034B for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.hallyn.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0CBD712C3; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:03:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:03:32 -0500 From: "Serge E. Hallyn" To: Seth Forshee Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/34] fs: idmapped mounts Message-ID: <20201030160332.GA30083@mail.hallyn.com> References: <20201029003252.2128653-1-christian.brauner@ubuntu.com> <87pn51ghju.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> <20201029155148.5odu4j2kt62ahcxq@yavin.dot.cyphar.com> <87361xdm4c.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> <20201030150748.GA176340@ubuntu-x1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201030150748.GA176340@ubuntu-x1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Cc: Lennart Poettering , Mimi Zohar , David Howells , Andreas Dilger , containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, Tycho Andersen , Miklos Szeredi , smbarber@chromium.org, Christoph Hellwig , linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Mrunal Patel , Kees Cook , Arnd Bergmann , Jann Horn , selinux@vger.kernel.org, Josh Triplett , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Viro , Andy Lutomirski , OGAWA Hirofumi , Geoffrey Thomas , James Bottomley , John Johansen , Theodore Tso , Dmitry Kasatkin , Stephen Smalley , Jonathan Corbet , linux-unionfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-audit@redhat.com, "Eric W. Biederman" , linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Casey Schaufler , Alban Crequy , linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, Todd Kjos X-BeenThere: containers@lists.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Linux Containers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: containers-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org Sender: "Containers" On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 10:07:48AM -0500, Seth Forshee wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 11:37:23AM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > First and foremost: A uid shift on write to a filesystem is a security > > bug waiting to happen. This is especially in the context of facilities > > like iouring, that play very agressive games with how process context > > makes it to system calls. > > > > The only reason containers were not immediately exploitable when iouring > > was introduced is because the mechanisms are built so that even if > > something escapes containment the security properties still apply. > > Changes to the uid when writing to the filesystem does not have that > > property. The tiniest slip in containment will be a security issue. > > > > This is not even the least bit theoretical. I have seem reports of how > > shitfs+overlayfs created a situation where anyone could read > > /etc/shadow. > > This bug was the result of a complex interaction with several > contributing factors. It's fair to say that one component was overlayfs > writing through an id-shifted mount, but the primary cause was related > to how copy-up was done coupled with allowing unprivileged overlayfs > mounts in a user ns. Checks that the mounter had access to the lower fs > file were not done before copying data up, and so the file was copied up > temporarily to the id shifted upperdir. Even though it was immediately > removed, other factors made it possible for the user to get the file > contents from the upperdir. > > Regardless, I do think you raise a good point. We need to be wary of any > place the kernel could open files through a shifted mount, especially > when the open could be influenced by userspace. > > Perhaps kernel file opens through shifted mounts should to be opt-in. > I.e. unless a flag is passed, or a different open interface used, the > open will fail if the dentry being opened is subject to id shifting. > This way any kernel writes which would be subject to id shifting will > only happen through code which as been written to take it into account. For my use cases, it would be fine to require opt-in at original fs mount time by init_user_ns admin. I.e. mount -o allow_idmap /dev/mapper/whoozit /whatzit I'm quite certain I would always be sharing a separate LV or loopback or tmpfs. -serge _______________________________________________ Containers mailing list Containers@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers