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From: David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: James Bottomley
	<James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	eparis-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org,
	dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	keyrings-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	simo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Keyrings, user namespaces and the user_struct
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:37:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <30199.1477467440@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y41bvhui.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
> > James Bottomley <James.Bottomley-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> >> > There's another possibility here - since user_namespaces are 
> >> > hierarchical, does it make sense to let a process see keys that are 
> >> > in an ancestral namespace?
> >> 
> >> I think that should be the decision of the owner.  If you're creating a
> >> userns to de-privilege the next user, likely you don't want this, but
> >> if you're creating a userns to enhance it, then you do.
> >
> > Maybe the simplest is to put a 'stop here' flag on a user_namespace.  Then
> > when we look to see if a key is in the caller's namespace, we go up the tree
> > until we hit the flag.  If you don't find the key's ns within the caller's
> > permitted subtree, you don't get to see the key.
> 
> Let me just say we already have all of that (in a much nicer format) by
> limiting the set of keys we can access to the set of users visible in
> the user namespace.

Except that we don't.  Users outside of a namespace can see any key that
grants permissions to 'other' - though this is something we don't do by
default.

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-10-26  7:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20161026143856.GL3334@pc.thejh.net>
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     [not found]   ` <17576.1477412418@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
     [not found]     ` <17576.1477412418-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 16:41       ` Keyrings, user namespaces and the user_struct Jann Horn
2016-10-25 16:49       ` James Bottomley
2016-10-25 16:53       ` David Howells
     [not found]         ` <18335.1477414412-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 16:56           ` James Bottomley
2016-10-26  7:18           ` José Bollo
     [not found]         ` <1477414605.3079.40.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
     [not found]           ` <1477414605.3079.40.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 17:06             ` Jann Horn
2016-10-25 17:30             ` David Howells
     [not found]           ` <20161025170602.GB24481@laptop.thejh.net>
     [not found]             ` <20161025170602.GB24481-GiL72Q0nGm9Crx9znvW9yA@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 18:05               ` James Bottomley
     [not found]             ` <1477418708.3079.52.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
     [not found]               ` <1477418708.3079.52.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 18:17                 ` Jann Horn
     [not found]                   ` <20161025181735.GC24481-GiL72Q0nGm9Crx9znvW9yA@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 18:21                     ` James Bottomley
2016-10-25 19:34                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                   ` <CALCETrU0PqNYmWx70pugkhj-kAD5DSzSi3swhK+v12WMYZYUZA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 20:41                     ` David Howells
2016-10-26 14:34                     ` David Howells
     [not found]                       ` <9243.1477492490-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-26 14:38                         ` Jann Horn
     [not found]                       ` <20161026143856.GL3334-J1fxOzX/cBvk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-26 14:48                         ` David Howells
     [not found]                           ` <9610.1477493338-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-26 18:10                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                           ` <87mvhrrng3.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-26 18:35                             ` David Howells
     [not found]                           ` <3677.1477506925-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-27 16:11                             ` David Howells
2016-10-27 16:18                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <20947.1477428095@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
     [not found]                     ` <20947.1477428095-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 20:51                       ` James Bottomley
2016-10-26  5:54                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87shrju031.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-26  6:48                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <18846.1477416621@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
     [not found]           ` <18846.1477416621-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 18:13             ` James Bottomley
     [not found]               ` <1477419204.3079.60.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 18:22                 ` Jann Horn
     [not found]               ` <20161025182206.GD24481@laptop.thejh.net>
     [not found]                 ` <20161025182206.GD24481-GiL72Q0nGm9Crx9znvW9yA@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-25 18:25                   ` James Bottomley
2016-10-26  4:45             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87y41bvhui.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-26  7:37             ` David Howells [this message]
2016-10-26  4:38       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-10-26 11:43       ` David Howells
2016-10-25 16:20 David Howells

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