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From: Nadia Derbey <Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Resend - Use procfs to change a syscall behavior
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:07:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <486E1276.2080605@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080704102702.GB4531-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>

Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> 
>>This patchset is a part of an effort to change some syscalls behavior for
>>checkpoint restart.
>>
>>When restarting an object that has previously been checkpointed, its state
>>should be unchanged compared to the checkpointed image.
>>For example, a restarted process should have the same upid nr as the one it
>>used to have when being checkpointed; an ipc object should have the same id
>>as the one it had when the checkpoint occured.
>>Also, talking about system V ipcs, they should be restored with the same
>>state (e.g. in terms of pid of last operation).
>>
>>This means that several syscalls should not behave in a default mode when
>>they are called during a restart phase.
>>
>>One solution consists in defining a new syscall for each syscall that is
>>called during restart:
>> . sys_fork_with_id() would fork a process with a predefined id.
>> . sys_msgget_with_id() would create a msg queue with a predefined id
>> . sys_semget_with_id() would create a semaphore set with a predefined id
>> . etc,
>>
>>This solution requires defining a new syscall each time we need an existing
>>syscall to behave in a non-default way.
> 
> 
> Yes, and I believe that's better than...
> 
> 
>>An alternative to this solution consists in defining a new field in the
>>task structure (let's call it next_syscall_data) that, if set, would change
>>the behavior of next syscall to be called. The sys_fork_with_id() previously
>>cited can be replaced by
>> 1) set next_syscall_data to a target upid nr
>> 2) call fork().
> 
> 
> ...bloat task struct and
> 
> 
>>A new file is created in procfs: /proc/self/task/<my_tid>/next_syscall_data.
>>This makes it possible to avoid races between several threads belonging to
>>the same process.
> 
> 
> ...introducing this kind of uglyness.
> 
> Actually, there were proposals for sys_indirect(), which is slightly
> less ugly, but IIRC we ended up with adding syscalls, too.
> 									Pavel

Pavel,

I had a look at the lwn.net article that describes the sys_indirect() 
interface.
It does exactly what we need here, so I do like it, but it has the same 
drawbacks as the one you're complaining about:
. a new field is needed in the task structure
. looks like many people found it ugly...

Now, coming back to what I'm proposing: what we need is actually to 
change the behavior of *existing* syscalls, since we are in a very 
particular context (restarting an application).

Defining brand new syscalls is very touchy: needs to be careful about 
the interface + I can't imagine the number of syscalls that would be needed.

Now, since we do have a set of available syscalls, I think it's much 
easier to change their behavior depending on a field being set in the 
task structure.

I agree with you that the interface is not that nice, so what about 
proposing a single syscall that would set the next_syscall_data field in 
the task structure (instead of setting it through procfs).
It's true that this makes us end up with a "2 passes" sys_indirect() 
(i.e. 2 syscalls called instead of a single one), but it is much 
simpler. And may be the induced performance overhead would not be that 
important since we are, again, in a particular context (restarting an 
application)?

Regards,
Nadia

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-04 12:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-03 14:40 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Resend - Use procfs to change a syscall behavior Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] adds the procfs facilities Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
     [not found]   ` <20080703144224.723883000-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-07 18:30     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20080707183030.GA22937-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08  5:25         ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] use next syscall data to predefine ipc objects ids Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
     [not found]   ` <20080703144224.982195000-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-07 18:35     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20080707183512.GB22937-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08  5:30         ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] use next syscall data to predefine process ids Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
     [not found]   ` <20080703144225.489624000-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-07 18:54     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20080707185424.GA25934-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08  5:44         ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] use next syscall data to change the behavior of IPC_SET Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
2008-07-03 14:40 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] use next syscall data to predefine the file descriptor value Nadia.Derbey-6ktuUTfB/bM
     [not found] ` <20080703144013.737951000-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-04 10:27   ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Resend - Use procfs to change a syscall behavior Pavel Machek
     [not found]     ` <20080704102702.GB4531-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-04 12:07       ` Nadia Derbey [this message]
     [not found]         ` <486E1276.2080605-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 10:51           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]             ` <20080708105143.GA15311-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 21:47               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20080708214721.GA1972-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 21:53                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20080708215315.GD17083-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  6:54                       ` Nadia Derbey
     [not found]                         ` <4875B212.5030604-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  7:01                           ` [Devel] " Paul Menage
     [not found]                             ` <6599ad830807100001j3f3a6cf2y7a19dda9382edb2c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  9:14                               ` Nadia Derbey
     [not found]                                 ` <4875D2EA.4010407-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  9:30                                   ` Paul Menage
     [not found]                                     ` <6599ad830807100230k2f3f3551sa4b804f4c20b43fe-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 10:11                                       ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-10  7:42               ` Nadia Derbey
     [not found]                 ` <4875BD4B.2070402-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  8:54                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20080710085406.GA13258-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  9:29                       ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-10 17:53                       ` Dave Hansen
2008-07-10 18:45                         ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                           ` <20080710184512.GA19428-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10 19:04                             ` Dave Hansen
2008-07-10 19:27                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-07-07 19:01       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20080707190119.GB25934-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 10:52           ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]             ` <20080708105228.GB15311-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 21:50               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20080708215034.GB2179-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-08 21:58                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20080708215821.GE17083-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-09  2:20                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                         ` <20080709022035.GA21249-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  7:58                           ` Nadia Derbey
     [not found]                             ` <4875C138.5060506-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  8:34                               ` [Devel] " Paul Menage
     [not found]                                 ` <6599ad830807100134l362ab98bt868e078eeb17b838-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-10  9:38                                   ` Nadia Derbey
2008-07-17 22:26                           ` Oren Laadan

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