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From: Cedric Le Goater <legoater-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Hansen
	<dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
	Alexey Dobriyan
	<adobriyan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49B15F35.2010909@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090306153549.GA898-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Greg Kurz (gkurz-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org):
>> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 01:00 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 01:27:07PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
>>>>> Imagine, unsupported file is opened between userspace checks
>>>>> for /proc/*/checkpointable and /proc/*/fdinfo/*/checkpointable
>>>>> and whatever, you stil have to do all the checks inside checkpoint(2).
>>>> Alexey, we have two problems here.  I completely agree that we have to
>>>> do complete and thorough checks of each file descriptor at
>>>> sys_checkpoint().  Any checks made at other times should not be trusted.
>>>>
>>>> The other side is what Ingo has been asking for.  How do we *know* when
>>>> we are checkpointable *before* we call (and without calling)
>>> This "without calling checkpoint(2)" results in much complications
>>> as demonstrated.
>>>
>>> task_struct and file are not like other structures because they are exposed
>>> in /proc. For PROC_FS=n kernels, one can't even check.
>>>
>>> You can do checkpoint(2) without actual dump. You pass, you're most
>>> certainly checkpointable (with inevitable race condition in mind).
>>>
>> Ahhh thank you very much Alexey ! I wanted to explain this to Dave a few
>> monthes ago but I failed... probably because of my poor English skills.
>>
>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/containers/2008-October/013549.html
>>
>> Why would we add checking all over the place when it MUST be done on the
>> sys_checkpoint() path ? The checkpoint(2) dry-run is definitely the way
>> to go.
> 
> I'm sure Dave understood that this was possible :)
> 
> But what you and Alexey are proposing does not and cannot fullfill
> Ingo's requirement.

And if Ingo's requirement is fulfilled, would any C/R patchset be acceptable ?

C.  

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-06 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-05 16:38 [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/11] kill '_data' in cr_hdr_fd_data name Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/11] breakout fdinfo sprintf() into its own function Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/11] Introduce generic_file_checkpoint() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/11] actually use f_op in checkpoint code Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/11] add generic checkpoint f_op to ext fses Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  2:50   ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/11] add checkpoint_file_generic() to /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/11] file c/r: expose functions to query fs support Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/11] expose file checkpointability and reasoning in /proc Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/11] check files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-09 17:38   ` Matt Helsley
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/11] add checkpoint/restart compile helper Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 16:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/11] optimize c/r check in dup_fd() Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 17:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-05 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found] ` <20090305181325.GA10666@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]   ` <20090305181325.GA10666-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 18:16     ` Dave Hansen
     [not found] ` <20090305174037.GA2274@x200.localdomain>
     [not found]   ` <20090305174037.GA2274-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 19:16     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-05 21:08       ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]         ` <20090305210840.GA2499-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 21:27           ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]         ` <1236288427.22399.122.camel@nimitz>
2009-03-05 22:00           ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]           ` <20090305220044.GA2819@x200.localdomain>
     [not found]             ` <20090305220044.GA2819-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-05 22:24               ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-06 15:08               ` Greg Kurz
     [not found]             ` <1236291865.22399.139.camel@nimitz>
2009-03-06 14:34               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]               ` <20090306143425.GA31250@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]                 ` <20090306143425.GA31250-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 15:48                   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  3:05                   ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                 ` <1236354509.10626.29.camel@nimitz>
2009-03-06 16:23                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20090306162337.GA3040-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 16:46                       ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                     ` <1236357965.10626.51.camel@nimitz>
2009-03-06 18:24                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                       ` <20090306182451.GA6307@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]                         ` <20090306182451.GA6307-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 19:42                           ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]             ` <1236352121.5732.80.camel@bahia>
2009-03-06 15:35               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]               ` <20090306153549.GA898@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]                 ` <20090306153549.GA898-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 17:36                   ` Cedric Le Goater [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <49B15F35.2010909-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-06 18:30                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20090306183055.GA6729@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]                       ` <20090306183055.GA6729-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-11  7:51                         ` Cedric Le Goater
     [not found]                       ` <49B76D91.1020807@free.fr>
     [not found]                         ` <49B76D91.1020807-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-12 15:30                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13  6:36                             ` Ensuring c/r maintainability (WAS Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability) Matt Helsley
2009-03-13 17:53                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-05 19:44     ` [RFC][PATCH 00/11] track files for checkpointability Dave Hansen
2009-03-10 15:57 ` Nathan Lynch
     [not found] ` <20090310105702.43eb1402@thinkcentre.lan>
     [not found]   ` <20090310105702.43eb1402-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 16:00     ` Nathan Lynch
2009-03-10 16:20     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-10 16:22     ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]   ` <20090310110000.24893e0c@thinkcentre.lan>
     [not found]     ` <20090310110000.24893e0c-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 16:23       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]   ` <20090310162026.GA9354@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]     ` <20090310162026.GA9354-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:23       ` Nathan Lynch
     [not found]     ` <20090310122320.313491ce@thinkcentre.lan>
     [not found]       ` <20090310122320.313491ce-4v5LP+xe+1byhTdZtsIeww@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:45         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20090310174517.GA12101@us.ibm.com>
     [not found]         ` <20090310174517.GA12101-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-10 17:47           ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]         ` <1236707250.10626.174.camel@nimitz>
2009-03-10 22:54           ` what is CONFIG_VZ_GENCALLS Zhaohui Wang

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