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From: Sasha Levin <sasha.levin-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org
Cc: CAI Qian <caiqian-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Eric Dumazet
	<eric.dumazet-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney"
	<paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: 3.9-rc1 NULL pointer crash at find_pid_ns
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:27:39 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5138DC1B.1070702@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r4jrqdf6.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On 03/07/2013 01:21 PM, ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> Sasha Levin <sasha.levin-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
>> On 03/07/2013 01:05 PM, ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org wrote:
>>> Sasha Levin <sasha.levin-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 03/07/2013 12:46 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 2013-03-07 at 12:36 -0500, Sasha Levin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like the hlist change is probably the issue, though it specifically
>>>>>> uses:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 	#define hlist_entry_safe(ptr, type, member) \
>>>>>>         	(ptr) ? hlist_entry(ptr, type, member) : NULL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm still looking at the code in question and it's assembly, but I can't
>>>>>> figure out what's going wrong. I was also trying to see what's so special
>>>>>> about this loop in find_pid_ns as opposed to the rest of the kernel code
>>>>>> that uses hlist_for_each_entry_rcu() but couldn't find out why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it somehow possible that if we rcu_dereference_raw() the same thing twice
>>>>>> inside the same rcu_read_lock() section we'll get different results? That's
>>>>>> really the only reason for this crash that comes to mind at the moment, very
>>>>>> unlikely - but that's all I have right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep
>>>>>
>>>>> #define hlist_entry_safe(ptr, type, member) \
>>>>> 	(ptr) ? hlist_entry(ptr, type, member) : NULL
>>>>>
>>>>> Is not safe, as ptr can be evaluated twice, and thats not good at all...
>>>>
>>>> ptr is being evaluated twice, but in this case this is an
>>>> rcu_dereference_raw() value within the same rcu_read_lock() section.
>>>>
>>>> Is it still problematic?
>>>
>>> Definitely.
>>>
>>> Head in this instance the expression: &pid_hash[pid_hashfn(nr, ns)]
>>>
>>> And the crash clearly shows that when hilst_entry is being evaluated the
>>> HEAD is NULL.
>>
>> Okay, I'm even more confused now.
>>
>> The expression in question is:
>>
>> 	hlist_entry_safe(rcu_dereference_bh(hlist_first_rcu(head)))
>>
>> You're saying that "rcu_dereference_bh(hlist_first_rcu(head))" can change between
>> the two evaluations we do. That would mean that 'head' has changed in between, right?
>>
>> In that case, the list itself has changed - which means that RCU has changed the
>> list underneath us.
>>
>> hlist_first_rcu() doesn't have any side-effects, it doesn't modify the list whatsoever,
>> so the only thing that can change is 'head'. Why is it allowed to change if the list
>> is protected by RCU?
> 
> The pointer to the first element of the list goes to NULL.
> 
> With RCU pointers can change and the guranateee that is made is that if
> you follow a stale pointer the storage pointed to by the stale pointer
> does not become invalid until you exit the rcu critical section.

But there's nothing that guarantees that the pointers themselves won't change like
I thought. That would explain this issue.

Let me run with trinity for a day with the change proposed by Paul just to see
everything looks sane, and if it is I can send a patch to fix it.


Thanks,
Sasha

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-07 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <611667212.10748821.1362649031475.JavaMail.root@redhat.com>
     [not found] ` <611667212.10748821.1362649031475.JavaMail.root-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07  9:42   ` 3.9-rc1 NULL pointer crash at find_pid_ns Li Zefan
     [not found]     ` <513860E8.4080807-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07  9:59       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <876213wmwt.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07 17:36           ` Sasha Levin
     [not found]             ` <5138D001.8000409-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07 17:46               ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]             ` <1362678371.15793.218.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
2013-03-07 17:50               ` Sasha Levin
     [not found]               ` <5138D377.6040406@oracle.com>
     [not found]                 ` <5138D377.6040406-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07 18:04                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-03-07 18:05                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <87boavrspd.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07 18:14                       ` Sasha Levin
     [not found]                         ` <5138D8F2.5020900-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07 18:18                           ` Eric Dumazet
2013-03-07 18:21                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                             ` <87r4jrqdf6.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07 18:27                               ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2013-03-07 18:29                           ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                             ` <20130307182934.GY3268-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-09  8:01                               ` Li Zefan
     [not found]                             ` <513AEC65.8000008@huawei.com>
     [not found]                               ` <513AEC65.8000008-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-09 15:51                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                                   ` <20130309155146.GR3268-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-14 20:00                                     ` Dave Jones
     [not found]                                       ` <20130314200054.GA5924-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-14 21:00                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-03-07 18:15                       ` Paul E. McKenney

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