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From: Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Ian Kent <raven-PKsaG3nR2I+sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Stanislav Kinsbursky
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	Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg KH
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	Linux Containers
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	Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
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	linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	devel-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: call_usermodehelper in containers
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 12:43:31 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56C53DE3.1070108@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8737sq4teb.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>

On 2016/02/18 11:57, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> 
> Ccing The containers list because a related discussion is happening there
> and somehow this thread has never made it there.
> 
> Ian Kent <raven-PKsaG3nR2I+sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
>> On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 18:28 +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>>> On 11/15, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand that one.  Having a preforked thread with the
>>>> proper
>>>> environment that can act like kthreadd in terms of spawning user
>>>> mode
>>>> helpers works and is simple.
>>
>> Forgive me replying to such an old thread but ...
>>
>> After realizing workqueues can't be used to pre-create threads to run
>> usermode helpers I've returned to look at this.
> 
> If someone can wind up with a good implementation I will be happy.
> 
>>> Can't we ask ->child_reaper to create the non-daemonized kernel thread
>>> with the "right" ->nsproxy, ->fs, etc?
>>
>> Eric, do you think this approach would be sufficient too?
>>
>> Probably wouldn't be quite right for user namespaces but should provide
>> what's needed for other cases?
>>
>> It certainly has the advantage of not having to maintain a plague of
>> processes waiting around to execute helpers.
> 
> That certainly sounds attractive.  Especially for the case of everyone
> who wants to set a core pattern in a container.
> 
> I am fuzzy on all of the details right now, but what I do remember is
> that in the kernel the user mode helper concepts when they attempted to
> scrub a processes environment were quite error prone until we managed to
> get kthreadd(pid 2) on the scene which always had a clean environment.
> 
> If we are going to tie this kind of thing to the pid namespace I
> recommend simplying denying it if you are in a user namespace without
> an approrpriate pid namespace.  AKA simply not allowing thigns to be setup
> if current->pid_ns->user_ns != current->user_ns.
> 
Can't be handled by simple capability like CAP_SYS_USERMODEHELPER ?

User_ns check seems not to allow core-dump-cather in host will not work if user_ns is used.

Thanks,
-Kame

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-18  3:43 UTC|newest]

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2016-02-18  2:57                   ` call_usermodehelper in containers Eric W. Biederman
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2016-02-18  3:43                       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki [this message]
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2016-02-18  6:36                           ` Ian Kent
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     [not found]                           ` <1455777387.3188.24.camel-PKsaG3nR2I+sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-18  7:37                             ` Ian Kent
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     [not found]                             ` <1455781033.2908.5.camel-PKsaG3nR2I+sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-18 20:45                               ` Eric W. Biederman
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2016-02-19  3:08                                   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                     ` <56C68714.2000900-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-19  5:37                                       ` Ian Kent
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2016-02-19  9:30                                         ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
     [not found]                                           ` <56C6E0A8.3010806-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-20  3:28                                             ` Ian Kent
2016-02-19  5:14                                   ` Ian Kent
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2016-02-23  2:55                                       ` Ian Kent
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     [not found]                                       ` <1456196130.2911.10.camel-PKsaG3nR2I+sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-23 14:36                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                       ` <20160223143627.GB31951@fieldses.org>
     [not found]                                         ` <20160223143627.GB31951-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-24  0:55                                           ` Ian Kent
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2016-02-18  3:17                       ` Eric W. Biederman

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