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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Kenton Varda <kenton-AuYgBwuPrUQTaNkGU808tA@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] devpts: Add ptmx_uid and ptmx_gid options
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 16:50:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oal4e5hu.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOP=4wggpXOC4qLWgNAdw7Ws4vtYR=hscNYzDCfby+-VUxhoQg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> (Kenton Varda's message of "Thu, 28 May 2015 13:17:30 -0700")

Kenton Varda <kenton-AuYgBwuPrUQTaNkGU808tA@public.gmane.org> writes:

> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Alexander Larsson <alexl-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2015-05-28 at 12:14 -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>
>>> > Where does the second namespace enter into this?
>>>
>>> Step a.  Create create a user namespace where uid 0 is mapped to your
>>> real uid, and set up your sandbox (aka mount /dev/pts and everything
>>> else).
>>>
>>> Step b.  Create a nested user namespace where your uid is identity
>>> mapped and run your desktop application.  You can even drop all caps
>>> in
>>> your namespace.
>>
>> Just tried this. Its not the nicest, and it doubles the number of
>> namespaces in action for each sandbox, but it does work.
>
> How much overhead is involved in each user namespace?

sizeof(struct user_namespace).

> Is there any system-wide limit on total namespaces, other than RAM? 

There is a system-wide maximum depth, but not count.

>  Is there
> (non-negligible) CPU overhead for each syscall seeking permissions in
> the namespace?

ns_capable(ns, X) in some cases can walk up the from a starting user
namespace to the initial user.  (The only non-constant operation I am
aware of).  However unless the user namespace depth is deep it should
still take a negligible amount of time.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-28 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-21  1:04 [PATCH] devpts: Add ptmx_uid and ptmx_gid options Andy Lutomirski
     [not found] ` <b321c0c2729d1c2a72aea319b077dce7afd79698.1424480579.git.luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-26 19:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found] ` <CALCETrVtGE8LdBCFTe1_cqpLf=SxPNX5iCe5wa-hZ0pe8ps_jA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <CALCETrVtGE8LdBCFTe1_cqpLf=SxPNX5iCe5wa-hZ0pe8ps_jA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-27  9:03     ` James Bottomley
     [not found]       ` <1427447013.2250.9.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31  7:57         ` Alexander Larsson
     [not found]       ` <1427788642.4411.12.camel@redhat.com>
     [not found]         ` <1427788642.4411.12.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 13:06           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-31 13:07           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]             ` <1427807248.2117.117.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 13:11               ` Alexander Larsson
2015-03-31 13:12               ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]             ` <CALCETrWKA4ZdHfdLuW0_W5xxJOSCJdt_fiRWs6vDk+8ZQ9n9iA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <CALCETrWKA4ZdHfdLuW0_W5xxJOSCJdt_fiRWs6vDk+8ZQ9n9iA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 13:23                 ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                   ` <1427808184.2117.122.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 13:44                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                   ` <CALCETrW8v1NFa7fcJbyJKXk9Msudht5BJ7Zy1Rg7ZC_TS-2Y-Q@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <CALCETrW8v1NFa7fcJbyJKXk9Msudht5BJ7Zy1Rg7ZC_TS-2Y-Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 13:55                       ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                     ` <1427810118.2117.126.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
     [not found]                       ` <1427810118.2117.126.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 13:59                         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                       ` <CALCETrU1vKf3fXPt8nS-ABDgfp8NxrFjHwTc68rA0rtvg2Lufg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <CALCETrU1vKf3fXPt8nS-ABDgfp8NxrFjHwTc68rA0rtvg2Lufg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 14:08                           ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                             ` <1427810886.2117.129.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-31 14:17                               ` Alexander Larsson
     [not found]                             ` <1427811444.4411.20.camel@redhat.com>
     [not found]                               ` <1427811444.4411.20.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-02 10:12                                 ` James Bottomley
     [not found]                                   ` <1427969525.3559.120.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-02 14:06                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                       ` <CALCETrWyUYgHY53O451AdJUs9Mcjsqmr4fUzoNmYsTP1HLq+VA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-02 14:29                                         ` Alexander Larsson
     [not found]                                       ` <1427984969.13651.11.camel@redhat.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <1427984969.13651.11.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-02 14:33                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                             ` <CALCETrWYit+WiAM6DFm0enGeJN==uWNC63zXp_zRSsSJg2YGPg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-02 15:49                                               ` Serge Hallyn
2015-04-02 18:27                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                 ` <87zj6qs7v8.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-27 21:32                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                 ` <CALCETrVGcCA2SMiDT8JN=AWiSFCXWSaMeKBQmkbKynKfiPJCwA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                   ` <CALCETrVGcCA2SMiDT8JN=AWiSFCXWSaMeKBQmkbKynKfiPJCwA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-28 16:44                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                       ` <87oal4odne.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-28 17:01                                                         ` Alexander Larsson
     [not found]                                                       ` <1432832511.21304.6.camel@redhat.com>
     [not found]                                                         ` <1432832511.21304.6.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-28 17:14                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                             ` <87mw0omxp0.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-28 17:35                                                               ` Alexander Larsson
2015-05-28 20:06                                                               ` Alexander Larsson
     [not found]                                                             ` <1432843577.9873.1.camel@redhat.com>
     [not found]                                                               ` <1432843577.9873.1.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-28 20:17                                                                 ` Kenton Varda
     [not found]                                                               ` <CAOP=4wggpXOC4qLWgNAdw7Ws4vtYR=hscNYzDCfby+-VUxhoQg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                                 ` <CAOP=4wggpXOC4qLWgNAdw7Ws4vtYR=hscNYzDCfby+-VUxhoQg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-28 21:50                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2015-05-28 17:30                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                         ` <CALCETrUueGomqFG0DSpt5Ern-XW6DE+rAEkd=3Y2ekV+gOwLAA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                           ` <CALCETrUueGomqFG0DSpt5Ern-XW6DE+rAEkd=3Y2ekV+gOwLAA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-28 19:42                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                               ` <87siagh4kh.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-08  4:59                                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                                   ` <CALCETrXNyyG-LZ8ds5ALbWs_Tfonev4+Ci=XZwWFqsSeszes8g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-08  9:16                                                                     ` Alexander Larsson
     [not found]                                                                   ` <1457428591.27353.55.camel@redhat.com>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <1457428591.27353.55.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-08 18:17                                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-18 21:04     ` Alexander Larsson

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