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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Enrico Weigelt <lkml-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: plan9 semantics on Linux - mount namespaces
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:26:59 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87po54x024.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5633d335-3926-d98f-d6d7-948b1e2a0b2c-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org> (Enrico Weigelt's message of "Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:19:48 +0000")

Enrico Weigelt <lkml@metux.net> writes:

> On 13.02.2018 22:12, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>
> CC @containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>> I'm currently trying to implement plan9 semantics on Linux and
>> yet sorting out how to do the mount namespace handling.
>>
>> On plan9, any unprivileged process can create its own namespace
>> and mount/bind at will, while on Linux this requires CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
>>
>> What is the reason for not allowing arbitrary users to create their
>> own private mount namespace ? What could go wrong here ?

suid root executables could be fooled.  An easy case is fooling
/bin/su into reading a different copy of /etc/shadow, and allowing
arbitrary changes between users.

>> IMHO, we could allow mount/bind under the following conditions:
>>
>> * the process is in a private mount namespace
>> * no suid-flag is honored (either force all mounts to nosuid or
>>    completely mask it out)
>> * only certain whitelisted filesystems allowed (eg. 9P and FUSE)
>>
>> Maybe that all could be enabled by a new capability.
>>
>>
>> any suggestions ?

User namespaces limit the contained processes to not having any
permissions outside of the user namespace.  While still allowing the
fully unix permission model inside user namespaces.

I am in the final stages of getting the changes in the vfs and in fuse
to allow unprivileged users to mount that filesystem.  plan9fs would
also be a candidate for that kind of treatment if it had a maintainer.

Eric
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      parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-16 18:26 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <0f058286-a432-379b-f559-f2fe713807ab@metux.net>
     [not found] ` <0f058286-a432-379b-f559-f2fe713807ab-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-13 22:19   ` plan9 semantics on Linux - mount namespaces Enrico Weigelt
     [not found] ` <5633d335-3926-d98f-d6d7-948b1e2a0b2c@metux.net>
     [not found]   ` <5633d335-3926-d98f-d6d7-948b1e2a0b2c-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-13 22:27     ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-02-14  0:01       ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]       ` <39b08c53-3449-3164-c1b1-44ac587dd4ea@metux.net>
     [not found]         ` <39b08c53-3449-3164-c1b1-44ac587dd4ea-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14  4:54           ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-02-14 10:18             ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]             ` <9c097fd9-3035-d5be-a829-fc18e7734f18@metux.net>
     [not found]               ` <9c097fd9-3035-d5be-a829-fc18e7734f18-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 10:24                 ` Aleksa Sarai
     [not found]               ` <20180214102410.dxgbayb4i76h5exo@gordon>
2018-02-14 11:27                 ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]                   ` <24ddea73-5c84-e098-caae-8a4c14834cbd-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 11:30                     ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                   ` <CAFLxGvzxLP_UTQbwEY99bQfyftWzZHwaOP+WrzJ8099EKtbVLg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <CAFLxGvzxLP_UTQbwEY99bQfyftWzZHwaOP+WrzJ8099EKtbVLg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 12:38                       ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]                         ` <4864d279-9a3f-eaf4-c297-ea34be604e41-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 12:53                           ` Richard Weinberger
     [not found]                         ` <2658681.ustYaP9yci@blindfold>
2018-02-14 14:03                           ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]                             ` <a2a6f189-008e-38f2-afcb-b9393d8d440a-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 14:19                               ` Richard Weinberger
2018-02-14 15:02                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]                                 ` <4f620eb7-c00c-487b-2e06-8cc4c97af38c@metux.net>
     [not found]                                   ` <4f620eb7-c00c-487b-2e06-8cc4c97af38c-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 15:17                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2018-02-14 17:21                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]                                       ` <e924b563-44c6-d678-a6cc-1181f4b820d5@metux.net>
     [not found]                                         ` <4042675.OEy7g9C5ya@blindfold>
2018-02-14 18:01                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]                                           ` <794929ce-0ecb-4c93-d51e-e94fcf749cfa@metux.net>
     [not found]                                             ` <794929ce-0ecb-4c93-d51e-e94fcf749cfa-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 18:12                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2018-02-14 18:32                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
     [not found]                                         ` <e924b563-44c6-d678-a6cc-1181f4b820d5-EcKl7qYKIbxeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-14 17:50                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2018-02-14 20:39                                           ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-02-16 18:26     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]

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