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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Sukadev Bhattiprolu
	<sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: CLONE_PARENT in a container
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:25:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1mybg5106.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090320020749.GA31179-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (Sukadev Bhattiprolu's message of "Thu\, 19 Mar 2009 19\:07\:49 -0700")

Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Cc: Oleg, Eric
>
> Oren Laadan [orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org] wrote:
> | 
> | What happens when a container-init calls clone() with the
> | CLONE_PARENT flag set ?
> | 
> | Since CLONE_PARENT can be used to create a sibling, I'd
> | think that this will create a sibling, in particular,  a
> | new task in the same container whose parent is the parent
> | of the container. From a quick look in the code I can't
> | see why this would be impossible.
> | 
> | Is this so ?  Is this the desired behavior ?
>
> Good question.  CLONE_PARENT was discussed recently on lkml but did
> not look obvious to me who uses it or what the semantics are.
> Some observations.
>
> 	- the "reaper" for this sibling would be the reaper of the
> 	  parent container, not the init of the new container.
>
> 	- if container-init exits, this sibling will also be killed since
> 	  it has a pid in this container.
> 	   
> Not sure if it needs to be prevented though.  An using CLONE_PARENT
> may want to run as a container-init :-) And if CLONE_PARENT is used
> with CLONE_THREAD, we don't want to preclude threaded container-inits.

Fascinating.   We have a way of generating processes that breaks the unix
process tree.

In the initial pid namespace a init that calls CLONE_PARENT will be the
reaper of that child, because the idle thread is in the same pid namespace.

I hadn't even thought about CLONE_PARENT in the context of a pid namespace.

CLONE_PARENT is a rare uncommon case a left over from the first experiments of
threading in linux.  So I would not work hard at getting it to do the right thing.
If it is a problem I would kill it.

However if we can support processes who don't have init as their parent it makes
entering a pid namespace a much more realistic proposition.

Eric

      parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-20  3:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-19 22:32 CLONE_PARENT in a container Oren Laadan
     [not found] ` <49C2C819.4070802-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-20  2:07   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20090320020749.GA31179-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-20  3:25       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]

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