From: Antti P Miettinen <amiettinen@nvidia.com>
To: markgross@thegnar.org
Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>,
"len.brown@intel.com" <len.brown@intel.com>,
"cpufreq@vger.kernel.org" <cpufreq@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org"
<linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
"j-pihet@ti.com" <j-pihet@ti.com>,
davej@redhat.com, pavel@ucw.cz, rjw@sisk.pl
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/2] RFC: CPU frequency max as PM QoS param
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:37:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ty2b5mdo.fsf@amiettinen-lnx.nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120228005630.GA15348@envy17> (mark gross's message of "Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:56:30 -0800")
Adding people that were part of the thread in the beginning..
mark gross <markgross@thegnar.org> writes:
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 04:04:00PM +0100, Antti Miettinen wrote:
>> To the lists too..
>>
>> On 02/27/2012 04:49 PM, Kevin Hilman wrote:
>> > mark gross <markgross@thegnar.org> writes:
>> >
>> > >> Current QoS settings could be thought of as performance constraints
>> > >> too. It's just that they determine minimum performance. Adding
>> > >> constraints for maxium performance is not a big stretch in my mind.
>> > >
>> > > Its not a big stretch to me either. I just think its a bit of a hack
>> > > and there is a bigger more interesting issue getting overlooked.
>> > >
>> > > Lastly why not simply make cpufreq thermal aware and talk directly to
>> > > it if you even need too?
>> >
>> > In fact, making a thermal framework "cooling device" that talks directly
>> > to CPUfreq is already what's being done by the Linaro PMWG folks.
>> >
>> > The problem is that CPUfreq only controls the CPU frequency.
>> >
>> > There are other devices that could be scaled back to reduce heat as well
>> > (DSP, and especially GPU), so having a more generic per-device
>> > constraint interface that can cap the frequency for *any* scalable
>> > device is a better framework IMO.
>> >
>> > It just so happens that pm_qos is already a good per-device constraint
>> > framework and can easily modified to cap performance as well as request
>> > a minimum performance.
>> >
>> > Kevin
>
> ok I'll stop trying to block it.
>
> I want to re-do the whole works anyway. If this helps in the mean time
> then go for it.
Great :-)
So what do other people think? Could we merge global CPU frequency
constraints for now?
I agree that more work is needed for e.g. per CPU constraints, user
space interface and more complete thermal management. Actually for
future I think the constraints could also become more general than just
min/max "reduction operators". For e.g. core online status you might
want union/intersection of bitmaps. Also, the more complete thermal
management is related to load management in general (power budgeting for
other reasons than just thermal).
--Antti
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-28 9:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-19 12:35 [PATCH 0/2] RFC: CPU frequency max as PM QoS param Antti P Miettinen
2012-01-19 12:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] PM QoS: Add CPU frequency maximum " Antti P Miettinen
2012-01-19 12:35 ` [PATCH 2/2] cpufreq: Enforce PM QoS maximum frequency Antti P Miettinen
2012-02-16 1:06 ` [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/2] RFC: CPU frequency max as PM QoS param Kevin Hilman
2012-02-17 3:04 ` mark gross
2012-02-17 8:12 ` [linux-pm] " Valentin, Eduardo
2012-02-20 10:00 ` Antti P Miettinen
[not found] ` <CAGF5oy-64J3vMKvzY=NvdV-m8_wFo=NGZANF_cnVm-iq0s-wZQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <20120221145632.GA2840@envy17>
[not found] ` <87linw5aod.fsf@ti.com>
[not found] ` <20120225174449.GA17141@envy17>
2012-02-27 10:17 ` [linux-pm] " Pihet-XID, Jean
2012-02-27 11:00 ` Antti P Miettinen
[not found] ` <877gz8wcud.fsf@ti.com>
2012-02-27 15:04 ` Antti Miettinen
2012-02-28 0:56 ` [linux-pm] " mark gross
2012-02-28 9:37 ` Antti P Miettinen [this message]
2012-03-04 22:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 12:23 ` Antti P Miettinen
2012-03-06 14:37 ` Dave Jones
2012-03-07 6:38 ` Antti P Miettinen
2012-03-07 16:59 ` Dave Jones
2012-03-07 18:08 ` Antti P Miettinen
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